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Originally Posted by toolz
Really, it's a total joke. It's pretty obvious that Avid are failing to deliver bug fixes, let alone cope with evolving operating systems.
And we're funding this comedy show, AAE has serious issues, and it feels like another Band Aid, is the solution.
You don't see these kind of blunders with other DAW's that have insanely efficient CPU usage... IT'S NEVER BEEN THIS BAD, is the opinion of this 20 year PT's professional.
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Sorry but I see these issues with all DAW's.
For example, Cubase does not work properly on windows systems with more than 14 logical cores (i.e 7 real + 7 hyper) without a registry hack that microsoft refuse to provide, and steinberg will on case by case scenarios. MASSIVE cpu spikes and performance issues just by the presence of all those cores..
Studio One performance on mac is an absolute *disaster*.
I did streamlined DSP tests with both VI's and native FX, and got TWICE the count on bootcamp on the same machine! (Granted that was with windows 7 and I haven't tested it for over a year).
I HAVE however tested the latest S1 on my macs and pro tools absolutely *crushes* it in performance.
Cubase has graphical issues on mac.. For example, imagine even in an empty project.. You create a new audio track, import or record a clip.. You click on it with the mouse to select it.. like any daw.. then you click somewhere in the arranger page in a blank area, to *de* select the clip.. that can take 2 seconds to register.. it's awful. Steinberg have improved it but it's still not eradicated.
And let's put some blame where it's also due.. Apple and Microsoft.. My guru that does nothing for 20 years but build, sell and benchmark windows DAWS, told me windows 10 can break everything with a forced upgrade now.. it's nothing like win 7 days... Apple routinely break things (HS 10.13.4 anyone?).
I feel so sorry for these DAW builders constantly having to keep up with the OS shenanigans of the two "big boys".. I constantly wish (and yes i know about the failed be-os) that someone like avid would partner with say waves and build their own OS to run PT perfectly, then other plugin devs would jump on board.. (just an example, but a streamlined OS for audio without any forced updates that you can use for 5 years or more without ever worrying about a new update of PT not working).
Yes, PT has some hideous bugs.. but having used every daw on the planet, i can confidently say they all do.
For me, i know that doesn't help you.. but for me, at 128 buffer, core audio.
Pro tools 2018.7 outperforms in native plug in count:
Cubase ever so slightly - maybe 5% if that.
Logic by around 10% or even 15%.
S1 by about 40%
Reaper the same as S1 (reaper is horrible on mac, i don't care what anyone says).
Ableton by 40% at least.
Bit**** the same.
DP is hit and miss, but overall it's pretty decent performer (no pun intended).
Now, at 32 and 64 buffer, PT is weaker than Cubase and Logic.. This is where Avid needs improvement. But for HDX users it shouldn't be an issue.
For HDN users, definitely an issue. THis is why i recommend HDN users use antelope to interface, so they can set their buffer in PT at 128 but still get zero latency monitoring through FX with the antelop dSP FX on their HD interface range.
For Core audio users, definitely an issue.
Windows performance at 64 buffer in PT is at least twice as good as mac on the same machine. Core loads spread evenly without crazy spiking... I even have a video of 64 tracks armed with a large amount of FX on each, in HDN on windows at 64 buffer, perfect, records for as long as needed.. same machine on mac OS, can't do anything. So yes, that is a problem. Mac has to be put to 128 to balance out the performance.
Pro Tool's performance for it's *playback* buffer, i.e, the 1024 internal buffer it places ALL tracks on that are not record armed, is outstanding. The best. It took a dip in 2018.1 and .4 but .7 has brought it right back to where it was.
So there's always a trade off.. with any DAW.. nothing is perfect..
Hey, i have done my fair share of ranting and complaining myself, so *please* don't think I am trying to diminish your real issues, but just trying to throw some balance that the grass is NOT always greener.. Trust this from someone who has used every daw on the planet in search for the best performing one.
PS, as a general rule, if you want to run at 64 buffer all day, windows with speedstep disabled is the answer, with the processors set to a permanent clock.. THIS is why mac os spikes so much at lower buffers (besides avid needing to optimise it as well, of course)..
Now, on to your problem.. I think Avid should maybe re examine their approval of the cheese greater mac pros.. cause 99% of the serious issues I see here, are with those machines and especially HDN. I am convinced it is something with the pcie bus, but who knows.