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Old 01-21-2011, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: Swing The Grid Lines?

Thank you both for your time, and input. I'm not sure we are totally on the same page as far as what I'm needing to do. Forgive me if I'm wrong. I'm really not looking to Quantize these drums at all. The drummer played to a 16 note shaker (click), that I quantized to grid with a 60% swing on the 16th notes. The drum performance is pretty rock solid, except when he does a few fills. For some reason he was tending to playing the 16th notes within those fills a bit closer to grid then to the swing of the song. More of a straight feel then a swing feel. So I'm editing all these parts to fix the lack of swing. When I've edited drums in the past, to a 16th note without a swing, I can use the grid as a visual reference. But if there is a swing on the 16th notes, the 16 note grid is no longer a visual reference point, cause the swing won't be on grid. The grid will have a straight ahead feel, if you will.

Regardless, I think filosofem got me thinking about something when he mentioned Bar/Beat Marker Generation. I use that often, just as filosofem said, to put a gird around a song that was played free form, with no click. But I never thought to use it as a tool to add swing to the current grid. It seems I'm not the only one who missed this cause there are several threads on the DUC where people have asked about swinging the grid, and no one seemed to be able to offer any help. So to anyone who might be interested, here's what I did.

For me, the whole idea is based around a "perfect grid" in a single tempo, with a consistent swing value on all the 16th notes. Basically just like the normal grid in ProTools, but with swing feel instead of straight ahead feel. The idea is to use it as a visual reference while editing. So, I created a midi track and filled in every 1/4, 1/8th and 1/16th note for the length of my song. I hit Alt 0 to open Event Operations. Set it to Quantize, 16th notes, and changed the swing value to 60%, then hit Apply. So now all the midi notes are pegged on grid, expect the 16th notes that are pegged to the swing value of my song. Now I highlight my whole midi track (the length of my song), and open Bar/Beat Marker Generation. I set the Operation to Midi for Bar/Beat Marker Generation. I make sure the Capture part says 16th notes, and then hit Capture Selection. Next, move right and hit Analyze, then drag the sensitivity till it grabs all the midi notes. Hit Generate, an your done. It will move all the 16th note grid lines to your swing value. Now you have a visual reference when editing a song with a swing.

It's kind of a no brainer once you think about it, but I don't think most people use the tool in this fashion. Most people I know use it to map out something that isn't' a perfect grid, or wasnt done to a click.

Again, thanks for your help guys!
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