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musicman691 02-16-2019 03:45 AM

Plugin Alliance insanity
 
PIA has been doing some insane one-day sales lately. Yesterday it was the Acme Opticom compressor for $49 and today it's the Townhouse compressor for $29. In each case PIA sends/has sent out an email to their customers with a specific code to be entered in the checkout page.

Stephen Bond 02-16-2019 04:21 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
I didn't buy anything since November because of the lack of decent offers.

Seems normal service has been resumed. Grab them whilst they are cheap!

I'm even considering going for the $50 voucher. That said, there are no guarantees from Plugin Alliance this will continue. After all, they pulled the December voucher without warning which was a change to the previous offer of a monthly voucher.

Stephen

StillHollow 02-16-2019 04:54 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
I think they have a difficult job to do managing competing interests of the various plugin developers so this is likely why we see the business model all over the map in regards to offerings. I grabbed a lot of stuff when they were sending me vouchers with no minimum limit on purchase.

Unfortunately for everyone in the business Waves has comoditized the plugin business so we all now expect $29 for everything. I will absolutely pay more for a very special plugin but I no longer drop $150 on a plugin without thinking long and hard and justifying the price based on need for a client’s session for example.

UAD may not be as affected in this area but I would bet they are still selling less than before that all happened about two years ago.

crizdee 02-16-2019 05:25 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Hi,

Think ive got about 50 bus compressors now :-)


Chris

Stephen Bond 02-16-2019 05:41 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StillHollow (Post 2516731)
I think they have a difficult job to do managing competing interests of the various plugin developers so this is likely why we see the business model all over the map in regards to offerings. I grabbed a lot of stuff when they were sending me vouchers with no minimum limit on purchase.

Unfortunately for everyone in the business Waves has comoditized the plugin business so we all now expect $29 for everything. I will absolutely pay more for a very special plugin but I no longer drop $150 on a plugin without thinking long and hard and justifying the price based on need for a client’s session for example.

UAD may not be as affected in this area but I would bet they are still selling less than before that all happened about two years ago.

Agreed. $29 has long been the new standard! Plenty of great pro offerings at that price.

UAD have been affected is seems. Sure, they still retain their 'premium' status but even their prices are tumbling. It's a buyer's market for sure :D

Stephen

amagras 02-16-2019 06:43 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crizdee (Post 2516733)
Hi,

Think ive got about 50 bus compressors now :-)


Chris

Yeah, only $4 today with the monthly voucher

Stephen Bond 02-16-2019 07:22 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
To be fair the UAD plugins are on the money if you buy the bundle :confused:

UAD Ultimate 7 is 99 plugins for £2999 which I make just over £30 per plugin :cool:

Stephen

mgoorevich 02-16-2019 07:24 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
I am not willing to pay to graphic designers for their work even if marketing department use a slogan "Modeled after the unique bla-bla...."
The actual PA unique plugin is buggy for years (confirmed by themselves).
So until I am losing my money by the fact that PA is not fixing ProAudioDSP DSM2 plugin automation behaviour, I am not buying anything new from them.

YYR123 02-16-2019 07:41 AM

Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crizdee (Post 2516733)
Hi,
Think ive got about 50 bus compressors now :-)
Chris

Maybe but not 50 AAX-DSP Buss Comps

YYR123 02-16-2019 07:44 AM

Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgoorevich (Post 2516747)
The actual PA unique plugin is buggy for years (confirmed by themselves).
So until I am losing my money by the fact that PA is not fixing ProAudioDSP DSM2 plugin automation behaviour, I am not buying anything new from them.


Interesting I guess I have never automated that plug. I remember it sounding really good however.

I choose to support these guys b/c of AAX-DSP, even though all of theirs aren’t AAX-DSP....most of them are

It’s not like Waves fixed all of their bugs either....not to mention Avid themselves

StillHollow 02-16-2019 08:11 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amagras (Post 2516742)
Yeah, only $4 today with the monthly voucher



I thought under their new one voucher rule you can’t do that. Are you saying you bought the TH Buscomp for $4 yourself?

mgoorevich 02-16-2019 08:51 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YYR123 (Post 2516749)
Interesting I guess I have never automated that plug. I remember it sounding really good however.

It is sounding really good and I think its quite unique processor.
However being not able to automate this plugin for film post work is a stopper.
I switched to Zynaptiq Intensity plugin to apply a quick little magic for some limp Music stems.

Benoni 02-16-2019 08:51 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Bond (Post 2516730)
I didn't buy anything since November because of the lack of decent offers.

Seems normal service has been resumed. Grab them whilst they are cheap!

I'm even considering going for the $50 voucher. That said, there are no guarantees from Plugin Alliance this will continue. After all, they pulled the December voucher without warning which was a change to the previous offer of a monthly voucher.

Stephen

I haven't got a voucher since November, but I still get Heavy Hitter discounts. You guys still getting vouchers?

Stephen Bond 02-16-2019 09:26 AM

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Yep. Hopefully this is still the deal.

http://duc.avid.com/attachment.php?a...1&d=1550337921

If you still qualify then contact them via support on their page.

Stephen

amagras 02-16-2019 09:39 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StillHollow (Post 2516750)
I thought under their new one voucher rule you can’t do that. Are you saying you bought the TH Buscomp for $4 yourself?

At the end I didn't buy it but I was able to lower the final price to $4 by stacking the TH and my $25 monthly vouchers. You have to login otherwise the vouchers don't work.

amagras 02-16-2019 09:42 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benoni (Post 2516758)
I haven't got a voucher since November, but I still get Heavy Hitter discounts. You guys still getting vouchers?

I started getting vouchers again since I bought bx_digital for $69 last December.

Benoni 02-16-2019 10:32 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amagras (Post 2516765)
I started getting vouchers again since I bought bx_digital for $69 last December.

I'm sure I've spent enough... maybe I need to recheck my purchase dates.

musicman691 02-16-2019 11:04 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amagras (Post 2516742)
Yeah, only $4 today with the monthly voucher

I'd already used my $50 monthly voucher to get the Neve channel strip so the $29 voucher was welcome for the Townhouse comp.

musicman691 02-16-2019 11:07 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benoni (Post 2516758)
I haven't got a voucher since November, but I still get Heavy Hitter discounts. You guys still getting vouchers?

Yep. December was weird because PA didn't do the regular monthly voucher. Ditto for January IIRC although they did do some 'if you spend this amount you get to use this voucher' thing a few times.

musicman691 02-16-2019 11:11 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgoorevich (Post 2516747)
I am not willing to pay to graphic designers for their work even if marketing department use a slogan "Modeled after the unique bla-bla...."
The actual PA unique plugin is buggy for years (confirmed by themselves).
So until I am losing my money by the fact that PA is not fixing ProAudioDSP DSM2 plugin automation behaviour, I am not buying anything new from them.

Don't let one bad apple ruin the experience. Sure PA is glacially slow at fixing some bugs but remember it's not up to them to fix them but the plugin developer. If you listen to the bungholes at Gearslutz you'd think the PA SSL channel strips were ****e because the metering isn't right (according to them). Personally I don't put stock in a plugin's metering. If the plugin does what I need it to do and the metering is suspect it's nothing I worry about as I use metering plugins I have and trust. Sure it's an extra insert that needs to be tended to but frankly Scarlett I don't give a damn (cue GWTW).

mgoorevich 02-16-2019 12:29 PM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by musicman691 (Post 2516777)
Don't let one bad apple ruin the experience. Sure PA is glacially slow at fixing some bugs but remember it's not up to them to fix them but the plugin developer. If you listen to the bungholes at Gearslutz you'd think the PA SSL channel strips were ****e because the metering isn't right (according to them). Personally I don't put stock in a plugin's metering. If the plugin does what I need it to do and the metering is suspect it's nothing I worry about as I use metering plugins I have and trust. Sure it's an extra insert that needs to be tended to but frankly Scarlett I don't give a damn (cue GWTW).

I agree with you about the metering.
I work in post so a flawless automation is essential and equal to the quality of the tools I use. There is no time for workarounds and I know anyone who managed to work without rock solid automation in film mixing industry. Music is different.
I am not oversensitive regarding the DSM2 is not working correctly. I contacted the PA several times, they confirmed its a bug and told me they probably will never gonna fix it...or maybe only at v3 (funny but thats was their response). I smiled and moved on - bought Intensity which works perfectly so far. No crisis, no irritation just not supporting with my wallet the PA anymore. Luckily we have so many great processors now days.

amagras 02-16-2019 01:25 PM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgoorevich (Post 2516790)
I agree with you about the metering.

I work in post so a flawless automation is essential and equal to the quality of the tools I use. There is no time for workarounds and I know anyone who managed to work without rock solid automation in film mixing industry. Music is different.

I am not oversensitive regarding the DSM2 is not working correctly. I contacted the PA several times, they confirmed its a bug and told me they probably will never gonna fix it...or maybe only at v3 (funny but thats was their response). I smiled and moved on - bought Intensity which works perfectly so far. No crisis, no irritation just not supporting with my wallet the PA anymore. Luckily we have so many great processors now days.

Curiously the thread title in pretty appropriate here too [emoji846]

simon.a.billington 02-17-2019 02:48 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Bond (Post 2516730)
I didn't buy anything since November because of the lack of decent offers.

Seems normal service has been resumed. Grab them whilst they are cheap!

I'm even considering going for the $50 voucher. That said, there are no guarantees from Plugin Alliance this will continue. After all, they pulled the December voucher without warning which was a change to the previous offer of a monthly voucher.

Stephen

I’ve been holding off myself, mostly. So many family related expenses since Christmas. I have still yet to replace the drive in my daughter’s computer.

Damn. It never ends. Still, these are killer sales,

amagras 02-26-2019 06:12 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
So, February is almost ending and since I wasn't sure there was going to be another opportunity to spend my 25 monthly voucher I ended up buying Elysia mpressor for $4. I don't know anything about it and I don't think I really need another compressor, I'm reading and watching all I can now but I would really appreciate if you guys can convince me I made a good purchase (apart from getting an awesome deal of course) that will prove itself useful in the future.
So far it sounds to me as benign as a distressor as it can take a lot of GR without ruining the sound... Or is that me cheering myself up already?

musicman691 02-26-2019 07:10 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amagras (Post 2517756)
So, February is almost ending and since I wasn't sure there was going to be another opportunity to spend my 25 monthly voucher I ended up buying Elysia mpressor for $4. I don't know anything about it and I don't think I really need another compressor, I'm reading and watching all I can now but I would really appreciate if you guys can convince me I made a good purchase (apart from getting an awesome deal of course) that will prove itself useful in the future.
So far it sounds to me as benign as a distressor as it can take a lot of GR without ruining the sound... Or is that me cheering myself up already?

It's a decent compressor for when you don't need the alpha comp. Have had both for some time now. I only knew about the mpressor sale price when I went to the PA site; didn't get an email notification about it. The current thinking is PA only sends out email notifications with a discount code to those that don't already have whatever plugin is on sale that day.

I used my $50US voucher early on for the Neve channel strip.

amagras 02-26-2019 07:14 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by musicman691 (Post 2517762)
It's a decent compressor for when you don't need the alpha comp. Have had both for some time now. I only knew about the mpressor sale price when I went to the PA site; didn't get an email notification about it. The current thinking is PA only sends out email notifications with a discount code to those that don't already have whatever plugin is on sale that day.

I used my $50US voucher early on for the Neve channel strip.

Thanks Jack, please feel free to tell me more. I didn't know about the alpha comp either!

TOM@METRO 02-26-2019 07:34 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
The Alpha Compressor is one of my favorites as well.

musicman691 02-26-2019 09:21 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amagras (Post 2517763)
Thanks Jack, please feel free to tell me more. I didn't know about the alpha comp either!

The alpha comp is my favorite mastering compressor as it's almost impossible to make something sound bad. Gentle compression ratios, flexible internal sidechain adjustments. Mid/side is to die for especially when you unlink the sidechain. I don't detect a specific character with it. Not an inexpensive piece of s/w and it doesn't go on sale all that often. It's possibly the only one of PA's plugins that I'd pay full price for no questions asked.

Demo it and you'll find out why.

Stephen Bond 02-26-2019 10:29 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
I bought the MPressor even though I had already spent my voucher.


Loads of compressors here but this one is unique. Great for drums and I liked it on the master too when I tried it earlier.


More than useful to have in the toolbox.



Stephen

amagras 02-26-2019 03:25 PM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Thanks folks for all the comments! I didn't like it too much on the master bus but it worked great on different instruments (bass, guitars, percussion) and the manual was easier to read than other PA stuff I have so I think it's a keeper, I always enjoy having a gain reduction limiter on a compressor.

JFreak 02-27-2019 07:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crizdee (Post 2516733)
Think ive got about 50 bus compressors now :-)

Got one of these:

Attachment 11482

amagras 02-27-2019 09:46 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JFreak (Post 2517860)
Got one of these:



Attachment 11482

This comp has no Windows? It should have 10 [emoji6]

Southsidemusic 02-27-2019 11:43 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
This thread is going ”off road” :D

Everyone Get off the Bus !!!

PatriotsBiker 02-28-2019 04:17 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JFreak (Post 2517860)
Got one of these:

Attachment 11482

Ahhh, the maag. Do you have a verdict, now that you've had it for a little while? IIRC, you had the Hardware already? (or was that someone else...)

PatriotsBiker 02-28-2019 04:52 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Seems I'm in the mood for verdicts this morning. :o I will have a on-topic post. I promise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by musicman691 (Post 2517762)
I used my $50US voucher early on for the Neve channel strip.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the Neve plug.

I've done a few using this one on a large percentage of tracks. I've done a few sessions with this as a primary, almost every track gets one added thing. I do wish the noise makers would default to much lower settings. The THD is nifty to add as needed later in mix-down for some quick and easy bolt of energy to the mids. The gate can be useful at times. The compressor is a source of constant twiddling, though leaving in Limit mode can produce some interesting results.

I have some DSP coming for my UAD. I have their Neve 1073 and 88 strips. I might re-mix a small session using the 88RS in-place of the "N" and see what happens with a non-scientific A/B.

PatriotsBiker 02-28-2019 05:03 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
So on the voucher thing, I think the Monthly ones have less limitation than the ones they send out as "Surprise" vouchers. The Surprise voucher I jsut looked at from a month or so ago had the $149 minimum purchase. The monthly vouchers did not have these limits in both Jan and Feb. At least not spelled out.

The big unknown on some of these are if they stack. Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not from what I have seen and played with. I got a $29 voucher for an Unlimited Audio plug called Spec-Ops. Adding my monthly $50 brought it down to 0$. Almost feels like cheating, though will not stay like this as I am deciding on one other at the moment. :D

JFreak 02-28-2019 05:29 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriotsBiker (Post 2517941)
Ahhh, the maag. Do you have a verdict, now that you've had it for a little while? IIRC, you had the Hardware already? (or was that someone else...)

I'm just liking the plug. And wouldn't mind if someone sent me the hardware for testing :D

Southsidemusic 02-28-2019 06:06 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriotsBiker (Post 2517941)
Ahhh, the maag. Do you have a verdict, now that you've had it for a little while? IIRC, you had the Hardware already? (or was that someone else...)

We were the ones with the hardware and I will post a verdict later on this eve. Have some personal stuff to attend to first.

musicman691 02-28-2019 09:16 AM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriotsBiker (Post 2517945)
Seems I'm in the mood for verdicts this morning. :o I will have a on-topic post. I promise.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the Neve plug.

I've done a few using this one on a large percentage of tracks. I've done a few sessions with this as a primary, almost every track gets one added thing. I do wish the noise makers would default to much lower settings. The THD is nifty to add as needed later in mix-down for some quick and easy bolt of energy to the mids. The gate can be useful at times. The compressor is a source of constant twiddling, though leaving in Limit mode can produce some interesting results.

I have some DSP coming for my UAD. I have their Neve 1073 and 88 strips. I might re-mix a small session using the 88RS in-place of the "N" and see what happens with a non-scientific A/B.

I use the Neve strip on things that need a bit of boost in level along with some mid-range eq. The low freq eq doesn't do much for me and same for the high freq eq. I find the gate easier to get on with than the ones in the PA SSL branded strips. And like the SSL strips I wish the compressor had an adjustable attack and not just a two position control.

I find it's a totally different sound than the SSL strips (of course) that works where they don't.

PatriotsBiker 02-28-2019 02:38 PM

Re: Plugin Alliance insanity
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by musicman691 (Post 2517974)
I use the Neve strip on things that need a bit of boost in level along with some mid-range eq. The low freq eq doesn't do much for me and same for the high freq eq. I find the gate easier to get on with than the ones in the PA SSL branded strips. And like the SSL strips I wish the compressor had an adjustable attack and not just a two position control.

I find it's a totally different sound than the SSL strips (of course) that works where they don't.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your usage habits with this one.

I'm struggling with a mix right now that refuses to behave in both areas you mentioned.


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