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roboman01 02-16-2019 09:30 AM

C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Avid needs to get off their buttocks and tweaks Pro Tools for utilizing HYPERTHREADING. We are in 2019 and PTs is the ONLY DAW I've found that has issues using HT!!!

I get all kinds of dropouts just using one single AU synth. I have an i7 4770k with 2400mhz 16gb RAM all on SSD. Also I am using El Capitan. There is no reason for this Avid, none at all. I should not have to just go into my bios just to disable HT. What bothers me, on the dropouts, I am watching my CPU utilization and they don't even touch 8%, just core 4 is being used and boom dropouts. I dont' get no errors just the normal dropout .

Avid is adding this and that with all these nice cool features but lacking HT support is just plain stupid. I've used a few other DAWs and I can tell you Pro Tools is the ONLY one that has issues with HT being on. Its just dumb. FIX this please because its getting stupid. I shouldn't have to turn of HT just to just PT 2018. I guess I need to just cut off my subscription and move on like others have done. Maybe its time to permanently move over to something else.

TrackerLe 02-16-2019 09:44 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
No Problems here with HT... Mac Pro 12 Core...

TimNielsen 02-16-2019 10:18 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Um... so many questions. How are you using an AU plugin in ProTools. You're using El Capitan, and you mention going into your Bios. Are you running a Hackingtosh?

Your problems are most certainly not related to Hyperthreading. Your problems are most likely because you're running a completely unorthodox machine and expecting it not to have issues.

musicman691 02-16-2019 11:16 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimNielsen (Post 2516772)
Um... so many questions. How are you using an AU plugin in ProTools. You're using El Capitan, and you mention going into your Bios. Are you running a Hackingtosh?

Your problems are most certainly not related to Hyperthreading. Your problems are most likely because you're running a completely unorthodox machine and expecting it not to have issues.

That's the op's whole problem right there - the worst OSX Apple ever foisted upon the world combined with a Hackintosh and an au plugin (he doesn't mention what host he's using to run whatever that au plugin is inside PT). If he is indeed running a Hack why not just say F'it and run PT inside Windoze :rolleyes:

climber 02-16-2019 11:34 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
^^^ what they said

roboman01 02-16-2019 02:00 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
It doesn't matter what plugin I am using.

I am running El Capitan with Pro Tools 2018. I have an i7 4770k with 16gb RAM and using an M-Audio C400.

Here is the thing, it doesn't matter what plugin I use with HT enabled I get dropouts and that is just using one plugin like REFX or Omnisphere 2. Now, here is what I have found, if I use Vienna Ensemble Pro to load my plugins and just load VEP5 into Pro Tools I have no issues whatsoever.

This tells me that Pro Tools is not even close to being optimized for plugins because why do I not have dropouts if I load my plugins into VEP5 within Pro Tools? See my point?

What is so bad is whenever I have HT enabled and CPU core 4 hits around only 8% that is when the dropout occurs. But with VEP5 running the plugin withing Pro Tools, no issues whatsoever because VEP5 is using its code for pretty much everything.

roboman01 02-16-2019 02:06 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by musicman691 (Post 2516778)
That's the op's whole problem right there - the worst OSX Apple ever foisted upon the world combined with a Hackintosh and an au plugin (he doesn't mention what host he's using to run whatever that au plugin is inside PT). If he is indeed running a Hack why not just say F'it and run PT inside Windoze :rolleyes:

Because I once was a Mickey Soft guy, now I'm retired (retarded) and can say WINDOWS SUCKS BIG TIME and always has. There is so many holes within windows it looks like an M60 got a hold of it. The performance of Windows is worse than a turtle!!! Thats a fact...

Yes I am running a legal hackintosh, all purchased and what makes it legal is APPLE'S Logo sticker is on the case!!!! Read the EULA!!

Windows is too controlling with its windows itself and I've always hated windows mainly whenever I had to program on it, couldn't stand it for years but I had to it was my job. I built my first hack the day Apple switched to Intel and since then I've built many of them, so its nothing to do with my build.

Pro Tools is not optimized the best it could be because read above when I load any plugin into VEP5 within Pro Tools NO ISSUES whatsoever. This tells me PT is not optimized like it should be.

Maybe AVID should call Vienna to get a copy of their code because it flat out out performs PT plugin code...

musicman691 02-16-2019 03:10 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman01 (Post 2516799)
Because I once was a Mickey Soft guy, now I'm retired (retarded) and can say WINDOWS SUCKS BIG TIME and always has. There is so many holes within windows it looks like an M60 got a hold of it. The performance of Windows is worse than a turtle!!! Thats a fact...

Yes I am running a legal hackintosh, all purchased and what makes it legal is APPLE'S Logo sticker is on the case!!!! Read the EULA!!

Windows is too controlling with its windows itself and I've always hated windows mainly whenever I had to program on it, couldn't stand it for years but I had to it was my job. I built my first hack the day Apple switched to Intel and since then I've built many of them, so its nothing to do with my build.

Pro Tools is not optimized the best it could be because read above when I load any plugin into VEP5 within Pro Tools NO ISSUES whatsoever. This tells me PT is not optimized like it should be.

Maybe AVID should call Vienna to get a copy of their code because it flat out out performs PT plugin code...

There is no such thing as a legal Hackintosh and having a sticker on a case means nothing. I still submit that system you're running is the problem and you can't expect for Avid to have any sympathy for you. Maybe if you ran a true Mac you'd have success.

K Roche 02-16-2019 03:11 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman01 (Post 2516799)
Because I once was a Mickey Soft guy, now I'm retired (retarded) and can say WINDOWS SUCKS BIG TIME and always has. There is so many holes within windows it looks like an M60 got a hold of it. The performance of Windows is worse than a turtle!!! Thats a fact...

Yes I am running a legal hackintosh, all purchased and what makes it legal is APPLE'S Logo sticker is on the case!!!! Read the EULA!!

Windows is too controlling with its windows itself and I've always hated windows mainly whenever I had to program on it, couldn't stand it for years but I had to it was my job. I built my first hack the day Apple switched to Intel and since then I've built many of them, so its nothing to do with my build.

Pro Tools is not optimized the best it could be because read above when I load any plugin into VEP5 within Pro Tools NO ISSUES whatsoever. This tells me PT is not optimized like it should be.

Maybe AVID should call Vienna to get a copy of their code because it flat out out performs PT plugin code...

Wow, that is a shame, interestingly I don't get drop outs no matter what AAX plugin I use and does not seem to matter HP on or off ???

Emcha_audio 02-16-2019 03:41 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Was the kackintosh made by an apple factory? No? Not an apple product supported by apple.

Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman01 (Post 2516799)
Because I once was a Mickey Soft guy, now I'm retired (retarded) and can say WINDOWS SUCKS BIG TIME and always has. There is so many holes within windows it looks like an M60 got a hold of it. The performance of Windows is worse than a turtle!!! Thats a fact...

Yes I am running a legal hackintosh, all purchased and what makes it legal is APPLE'S Logo sticker is on the case!!!! Read the EULA!!

Windows is too controlling with its windows itself and I've always hated windows mainly whenever I had to program on it, couldn't stand it for years but I had to it was my job. I built my first hack the day Apple switched to Intel and since then I've built many of them, so its nothing to do with my build.

Pro Tools is not optimized the best it could be because read above when I load any plugin into VEP5 within Pro Tools NO ISSUES whatsoever. This tells me PT is not optimized like it should be.

Maybe AVID should call Vienna to get a copy of their code because it flat out out performs PT plugin code...


Emcha_audio 02-16-2019 03:48 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver M (Post 2516813)
Nonsense.
A Hackintosh is legally OK. If Avid ever approves such a system is another story.

Are hackintosh Legal in the US?

And here's an other article about it

musicman691 02-16-2019 06:16 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Emcha_audio (Post 2516814)

Thanks for the links Manny. I knew some of what the first article talks about but didn't have a link I could reference.

musicman691 02-16-2019 06:18 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver M (Post 2516823)
Also building a Mac with PC components is not illegal in the US as long as I do so for personal usage.

Building such a Mac may not be illegal but using Apple software to run it as a Mac IS illegal in the US. Or didn't you read the first article Manny linked to?

On an aside - I thought you were done with the DUC as you mentioned in another thread here?

Emcha_audio 02-16-2019 06:59 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver M (Post 2516823)
Also building a Mac with PC components is not illegal in the US as long as I do so for personal usage.

It breaks the ULA and the copyrights.

I've heard that Jailbreaking is now legal in EU but I haven't seen anything saying that it applies to computers so as far as I know, it's still illegal in the EU.

off the wall 02-16-2019 08:21 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman01 (Post 2516761)
Avid needs to get off their buttocks and tweaks Pro Tools for utilizing HYPERTHREADING. We are in 2019 and PTs is the ONLY DAW I've found that has issues using HT!!!

I get all kinds of dropouts just using one single AU synth. I have an i7 4770k with 2400mhz 16gb RAM all on SSD. Also I am using El Capitan. There is no reason for this Avid, none at all. I should not have to just go into my bios just to disable HT. What bothers me, on the dropouts, I am watching my CPU utilization and they don't even touch 8%, just core 4 is being used and boom dropouts. I dont' get no errors just the normal dropout .

Avid is adding this and that with all these nice cool features but lacking HT support is just plain stupid. I've used a few other DAWs and I can tell you Pro Tools is the ONLY one that has issues with HT being on. Its just dumb. FIX this please because its getting stupid. I shouldn't have to turn of HT just to just PT 2018. I guess I need to just cut off my subscription and move on like others have done. Maybe its time to permanently move over to something else.

El cap - 3 year old os - probably the worst MACOS in recent history.
Au - not supported in PT
Non-apple computer?

I have no issues what so ever with hyper threading on my 12-core MacPro macOS 10.13.6, PT 2018.12.

arche3 02-16-2019 09:28 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Is there some sort of apple police coming to water board you for hackintosh? Haha.

Sardi 02-16-2019 09:52 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arche3 (Post 2516837)
Is there some sort of apple police coming to water board you for hackintosh? Haha.


I do find it amusing people getting mega heated about software piracy, but many are willing to turn a blind eye to people running Mac OS on a non Apple machine.

Out of sight, out of mind?


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TrackerLe 02-17-2019 12:14 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
I repeat; I have no problem with HT on my Mac Pro (10.13.6 PTU2018.12) and all my other macs.
For AU only plugins, I use Patchwork, which works perfect under Protools.

And as other users said in this thread. El Capitan is the unstablest and overall the worst OSX. There are Problems with the Core Audio Framework and more more. Try to update your OSX to High Sierra. Maybe PT2018 works better...

jchan 02-17-2019 01:06 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Yes that's hilarious. Didn't even know it was a confirmed fact. But NOT the case with Media Composer.. ehm. I bet Pro Tools could perform better too... if they optimized Pro Tools for hyper threading...

From Avid.com recommended Win 10 optimizations:

"Disable Hyper-Threading

This optimization prevents processor Hyper-Threading, which can cause CPU errors in Pro Tools. Note that some other applications, including Media Composer, may perform better with Hyper-Threading enabled. Hyper-Threading settings are found in the BIOS, and they vary by computer model and BIOS version. Consult your computer or motherboard manufacturer to determine if these settings are available on your system, and to learn how to disable them."

Lol!

musicman691 02-17-2019 03:55 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Emcha_audio (Post 2516831)
It breaks the ULA and the copyrights.

I've heard that Jailbreaking is now legal in EU but I haven't seen anything saying that it applies to computers so as far as I know, it's still illegal in the EU.

Beyond the legality as far as jailbreaking goes on things like cell phones it also voids the warranty IIRC.

RyanC 02-17-2019 05:28 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sardi (Post 2516838)
I do find it amusing people getting mega heated about software piracy, but many are willing to turn a blind eye to people running Mac OS on a non Apple machine.

I find it amusing people defending a company that has completely abandoned their professional users. At this point, apple is lucky that people are building the machines they SHOULD be building instead of abandoning the platform.

I have a 12 core trashcan and two 7980xe hacks as well as 36TB hack server. The hacks run better than the trashcan, and strict apple users have no idea how much they are missing compared to state of the art native.

musicman691 02-17-2019 05:37 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sardi (Post 2516838)
I do find it amusing people getting mega heated about software piracy, but many are willing to turn a blind eye to people running Mac OS on a non Apple machine.

Out of sight, out of mind?


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And I find it further amusing when somebody running a Hack comes on here and bitches about having problems with PT on it.

Sardi 02-17-2019 06:24 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanC (Post 2516861)
I find it amusing people defending a company that has completely abandoned their professional users. At this point, apple is lucky that people are building the machines they SHOULD be building instead of abandoning the platform.

I have a 12 core trashcan and two 7980xe hacks as well as 36TB hack server. The hacks run better than the trashcan, and strict apple users have no idea how much they are missing compared to state of the art native.



Youíve totally missed my point.

FYI - I setup a Hackintosh when Tiger was the current Mac OS. Wasnít as easy as it is now.


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roboman01 02-17-2019 07:02 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by musicman691 (Post 2516803)
There is no such thing as a legal Hackintosh and having a sticker on a case means nothing. I still submit that system you're running is the problem and you can't expect for Avid to have any sympathy for you. Maybe if you ran a true Mac you'd have success.

You heroes know nothing!!! I have 2 MacBook Pros, one 15" and one 17"...Because I built my own Mac Pro you are saying its not legal? If this is the case then why does Apple allow installation of OS X on any supported hardware? Apple hardware is nothing more than the regular PC people have at home, Apple just puts their "Apple Logo" on it and say "Hey look we have our own product" but inside the case is a Gigabyte motherboard, Intel Processor and Corsair memory. Think of it like this, HP sells computers with Microsoft pre-installed, so does that mean I cannot install Linux on that computer? What Apple did was take an OS and try to make it their own and Apple knows in COURT they would lose the argument of people installing that OS onto any system. What the courts have decided in the past was people cannot SELL them but the court said people can install OS X onto any PC they choose because if they couldn't it would be a monopoly since Apple opened up on using Intel Processors. Trust me I know more about this than most of you do, I've been building these machines since I think it was around 2006. I've built over a 1,000 PCs, dozens of servers (mickey softs) and a few OS X Servers. Now I am not saying I know everything because I don't but don't sit here and belittle people because they choose to buy OS X and install it on the same hardware that Apple uses. I buy everything, I don't pirate nothing and I surely don't steal like some of you on here do. I've paid over $5k for the software I have from originally purchasing Pro Tools, then the upgrade now the monthly subscription. I've purchased Akai Pro Studio only to be thwarted by Akai on the current "Aka Software" to force people to buy the upgrade. I've paid what close to $500 for Omnisphere 2 then the $400 for Keyscape, thousands of dollars for ReFX and their expansions, approx $4k for my Korg Kronos X and thousands of dollars for the expansions.

So trust me I know a lot more than you think. But nobody has answered why whenever I load a plugin into Pro Tools 2018 I get dropouts but if I load VEP5 then load the plugin that way its fine, no issues at all. And please do not say its my hardware because its not. Its most likely something software side and it could be within OS X itself. So, I have install High Sierra on one of my other SSDs, which I have 10 HDDs, 4 which are SSDs and all operating systems are installed on the SSDs. I will test that out to see if it makes a difference.

I've never complained about Pro Tools except their subscription stunt so now I complain something legit and boom I get hammered for it. So the way I see it, no wonder a lot of people don't come on here because of people like some of ya who are arrogant and selfish.

Yes I Googled and EVERY single link pointing to the forums the MODERATOR always says "Turn off HT"....Its 2019 and when MODs are telling people to turn of HT that shows me Pro Tools is not setup for HT like every other DAW is. You show me one other DAW besides Pro Tools that is not setup for HT I will shut up. I have used Logic and others and they support HT perfectly.

EDIT:

One last thing I had no issue until this last update!!! So think about it...Geez instead of arguing with people maybe some should think of helping or giving advice. If you come in a post just to argue on what a person has installed maybe its best to just shut up and don't post at all!!! Very selfish people in this world and I mean very selfish!!!

Good day!!!

gnjlee 02-17-2019 07:33 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
I have run PT on both platforms for years, including self build PCs and have always run with HT enabled. I don't do hackintosh but it sounds like a hardware or driver issue to me.

Avoiding polarizing statements on OS viability and focusing on practical troubleshooting, you might want to try running Windows 7 or 10 on a different drive just as a test to see if the system behavior improves.

Good luck.

musicman691 02-17-2019 08:38 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman01 (Post 2516875)
You heroes know nothing!!! I have 2 MacBook Pros, one 15" and one 17"...Because I built my own Mac Pro you are saying its not legal? If this is the case then why does Apple allow installation of OS X on any supported hardware?

Apple does NOT allow installation of OSX on anything other Apple hardware; doesn't matter whether that h/w is supported or not. To do otherwise goes against the EULA as you've already been told. Have you looked at the links Manny provided?

Sugarnutz 02-17-2019 08:44 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Let's see! Hyperthreading is two "Virtual", "Pseudo" or "Fake" cores running on one "REAL" core that require some sort of overhead in the microcode taking up cycles. These "Virtual" cores are not full speed either, you can't get something for nothing. I've been building PCs for 35 years, longer than some members here have been alive and pretty much every optimization guide I've seen for a DAW in the 1st 25-30 years of that 35 have suggested that you turn hyperthreading OFF!. The new $420 Intel i7 9700K 8 Core CPU doesn't even have hyperthreading, it's 8 cores & 8 threads, plain & simple. I just ordered parts for a new system that has a i9 9900K CPU and i'm fairly determined at this point to turn hyperthreading off. I want real cores running full-tilt boogie, not fake ones sharing cycles and if you're running a M-Audio interface with contracted, inefficient drivers it shouldn't really matter in the 1st place. :D

EDIT: I consider a Hackintosh to be "Off Label" use of OSX.

killah_trakz 02-17-2019 09:11 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Bro, protools handling of cpu is TRASH!

I made a post about it not long ago. When will they fix this is MUTE!

So use Vienna and just keep working brother.


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YYR123 02-17-2019 10:49 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Yeah regardless of how he is using what, everyone knows pt isnít the best at utilizing HT.

Itís been historically off and on, hit and miss.

They just donít have the time or skills to better the CPU utilization of the program.

Thereís always the workarounds....ever since TDM days....

K Roche 02-18-2019 10:29 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arche3 (Post 2516837)
Is there some sort of apple police coming to water board you for hackintosh? Haha.

No police but you could in theory
see someone serving a subpoena :eek:

Probably not likely (unless you try to go into business selling Hackentosh's with Apple OS loaded ).. but even for personal use it is technically a breach of contract and would definitely allow Apple to bring lawsuit if they chose to do so.

Violating a contract like a EULA would usually be considered a civil breach of contract not a criminal act. (usually)


That said: in the only case law I found. Apple was able to successfully get a permanent injunction against Psystar form selling Hackentosh'es with OS loaded And in the ruling the court also found copyright infringement because Apple has three registered copyrights on it's OS. And Psystar was illegally copying and distributing said copies of the OS

here is the actual court ruling

https://c-3sux78kvnkay76x24cccx2emx78uqrgcx2etkz.g00.cnet.co m/g00/3_c-3ccc.itkz.ius_/c-3SUXKVNKAY76x24nzzvx3ax2fx2fccc.mx78uqrgc.tkzx2fvj l8x2fVyeyzgx78-870.vjl_$/$/$?i10c.ua=1&i10c.dv=4

YYR123 02-18-2019 05:57 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
In the end nobody cares what your running your hardware on as long as the Music is made.

Iíve had and made hacks that are every bit as stable as my Macs that I paid a lot more money for.....(and were less powerful)

RyanC 02-18-2019 07:30 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sardi (Post 2516870)
Youíve totally missed my point.

FYI - I setup a Hackintosh when Tiger was the current Mac OS. Wasnít as easy as it is now.

Point taken. It is reasonable that people who down the hackintosh road need to take more personal responsibility for their own tech support...My systems run a lot better with hyperthreading on.

I got a little swept up in the anti hack stuff, which for me their argument would be valid if apple was still making computers for creative professionals.

RyanC 02-18-2019 07:34 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by killah_trakz (Post 2516897)
Bro, protools handling of cpu is TRASH!

I made a post about it not long ago. When will they fix this is MUTE!

So use Vienna and just keep working brother.

Interesting...I'm much happier without VEP since PT11. I've been running hacks that are more powerful than any mac sense then as well, but I have a 12c trashcan too and it's the same for it.

For me, PT CPU handling is better than Logic, when I set up my full template in LPX, I get single core peaking issues due to auxes fed to verbs.

Which DAWs do you consider to handle CPU better than PT? I suppose it depends a lot on workflow and the computer.

TimNielsen 02-18-2019 09:03 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
You're clearly don't have a clue do you. A Hackintosh, legal or not, I could care less, works by you installed many 'hacked' KEXT files that make it work. You have no Apple bios. It's not an orthodox solution. None of us, not one, one a REAL apple system, are having any issues even close to what you are relating.

Hence, it's YOUR SYSTEM STUPID. If you want to run a Hackintosh, fine, I could care less. But stop pretending you're running an 'Apple' system, you're not. You're running HACKED CODE to make it work on your PC hardware. Fine, so be it. I built a Hackintosh as well years ago, actually two of them. It was so buggy and had so many issues anytime you wanted to update the software, I gave up on it.

But don't sit here, and tell us, the ENTIRE DUC, that you know more than us. Honestly, we have no idea why Vienna runs your plugins and PT doesn't. PT code for sure is behind the times.

But your problems have nothing to do with Hyperthreading. They just don't. My current mix session is running about 650+ tracks, about 150 live plugins, and I haven't had any issues. So even though you hate to hear it, the problem is you.





Quote:

Originally Posted by roboman01 (Post 2516875)
You heroes know nothing!!! I have 2 MacBook Pros, one 15" and one 17"...Because I built my own Mac Pro you are saying its not legal? If this is the case then why does Apple allow installation of OS X on any supported hardware? Apple hardware is nothing more than the regular PC people have at home, Apple just puts their "Apple Logo" on it and say "Hey look we have our own product" but inside the case is a Gigabyte motherboard, Intel Processor and Corsair memory. Think of it like this, HP sells computers with Microsoft pre-installed, so does that mean I cannot install Linux on that computer? What Apple did was take an OS and try to make it their own and Apple knows in COURT they would lose the argument of people installing that OS onto any system. What the courts have decided in the past was people cannot SELL them but the court said people can install OS X onto any PC they choose because if they couldn't it would be a monopoly since Apple opened up on using Intel Processors. Trust me I know more about this than most of you do, I've been building these machines since I think it was around 2006. I've built over a 1,000 PCs, dozens of servers (mickey softs) and a few OS X Servers. Now I am not saying I know everything because I don't but don't sit here and belittle people because they choose to buy OS X and install it on the same hardware that Apple uses. I buy everything, I don't pirate nothing and I surely don't steal like some of you on here do. I've paid over $5k for the software I have from originally purchasing Pro Tools, then the upgrade now the monthly subscription. I've purchased Akai Pro Studio only to be thwarted by Akai on the current "Aka Software" to force people to buy the upgrade. I've paid what close to $500 for Omnisphere 2 then the $400 for Keyscape, thousands of dollars for ReFX and their expansions, approx $4k for my Korg Kronos X and thousands of dollars for the expansions.

So trust me I know a lot more than you think. But nobody has answered why whenever I load a plugin into Pro Tools 2018 I get dropouts but if I load VEP5 then load the plugin that way its fine, no issues at all. And please do not say its my hardware because its not. Its most likely something software side and it could be within OS X itself. So, I have install High Sierra on one of my other SSDs, which I have 10 HDDs, 4 which are SSDs and all operating systems are installed on the SSDs. I will test that out to see if it makes a difference.

I've never complained about Pro Tools except their subscription stunt so now I complain something legit and boom I get hammered for it. So the way I see it, no wonder a lot of people don't come on here because of people like some of ya who are arrogant and selfish.

Yes I Googled and EVERY single link pointing to the forums the MODERATOR always says "Turn off HT"....Its 2019 and when MODs are telling people to turn of HT that shows me Pro Tools is not setup for HT like every other DAW is. You show me one other DAW besides Pro Tools that is not setup for HT I will shut up. I have used Logic and others and they support HT perfectly.

EDIT:

One last thing I had no issue until this last update!!! So think about it...Geez instead of arguing with people maybe some should think of helping or giving advice. If you come in a post just to argue on what a person has installed maybe its best to just shut up and don't post at all!!! Very selfish people in this world and I mean very selfish!!!

Good day!!!


Emcha_audio 02-19-2019 12:07 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
Heck if you're so adamant that it's legal, go in an apple store with you hack and ask them to check it out for you.

:D

We'll await a video of the response of the apple tech.

:p

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Originally Posted by roboman01 (Post 2516875)
You heroes know nothing!!! I have 2 MacBook Pros, one 15" and one 17"...Because I built my own Mac Pro you are saying its not legal? If this is the case then why does Apple allow installation of OS X on any supported hardware? Apple hardware is nothing more than the regular PC people have at home, Apple just puts their "Apple Logo" on it and say "Hey look we have our own product" but inside the case is a Gigabyte motherboard, Intel Processor and Corsair memory. Think of it like this, HP sells computers with Microsoft pre-installed, so does that mean I cannot install Linux on that computer? What Apple did was take an OS and try to make it their own and Apple knows in COURT they would lose the argument of people installing that OS onto any system. What the courts have decided in the past was people cannot SELL them but the court said people can install OS X onto any PC they choose because if they couldn't it would be a monopoly since Apple opened up on using Intel Processors. Trust me I know more about this than most of you do, I've been building these machines since I think it was around 2006. I've built over a 1,000 PCs, dozens of servers (mickey softs) and a few OS X Servers. Now I am not saying I know everything because I don't but don't sit here and belittle people because they choose to buy OS X and install it on the same hardware that Apple uses. I buy everything, I don't pirate nothing and I surely don't steal like some of you on here do. I've paid over $5k for the software I have from originally purchasing Pro Tools, then the upgrade now the monthly subscription. I've purchased Akai Pro Studio only to be thwarted by Akai on the current "Aka Software" to force people to buy the upgrade. I've paid what close to $500 for Omnisphere 2 then the $400 for Keyscape, thousands of dollars for ReFX and their expansions, approx $4k for my Korg Kronos X and thousands of dollars for the expansions.

So trust me I know a lot more than you think. But nobody has answered why whenever I load a plugin into Pro Tools 2018 I get dropouts but if I load VEP5 then load the plugin that way its fine, no issues at all. And please do not say its my hardware because its not. Its most likely something software side and it could be within OS X itself. So, I have install High Sierra on one of my other SSDs, which I have 10 HDDs, 4 which are SSDs and all operating systems are installed on the SSDs. I will test that out to see if it makes a difference.

I've never complained about Pro Tools except their subscription stunt so now I complain something legit and boom I get hammered for it. So the way I see it, no wonder a lot of people don't come on here because of people like some of ya who are arrogant and selfish.

Yes I Googled and EVERY single link pointing to the forums the MODERATOR always says "Turn off HT"....Its 2019 and when MODs are telling people to turn of HT that shows me Pro Tools is not setup for HT like every other DAW is. You show me one other DAW besides Pro Tools that is not setup for HT I will shut up. I have used Logic and others and they support HT perfectly.

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One last thing I had no issue until this last update!!! So think about it...Geez instead of arguing with people maybe some should think of helping or giving advice. If you come in a post just to argue on what a person has installed maybe its best to just shut up and don't post at all!!! Very selfish people in this world and I mean very selfish!!!

Good day!!!


Sardi 02-19-2019 02:11 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Emcha_audio (Post 2517053)
Heck if you're so adamant that it's legal, go in an apple store with you hack and ask them to check it out for you.

:D

We'll await a video of the response of the apple tech.

:p



Hahahahaha!


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YYR123 02-19-2019 11:20 AM

Re: C'mon Man!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Emcha_audio (Post 2517053)
Heck if you're so adamant that it's legal, go in an apple store with you hack and ask them to check it out for you.


I donít even take my macs to the apple store.
Most of those kids donít even know what a kext is.....

Southsidemusic 02-19-2019 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by YYR123 (Post 2517094)
I donít even take my macs to the apple store.
Most of those kids donít even know what a kext is.....

They will think itís something like this :D

arche3 02-19-2019 01:12 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
Wait I'm even more confused. If I build a hackintosh can I buy osx from the apple store. And install it?

Not saying I am. Too much effort. I would just get a windows machine if I'm not on mac.

JFreak 02-19-2019 01:25 PM

Re: C'mon Man!!!! (Pro Tools and Hyperthreading)
 
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Originally Posted by arche3 (Post 2517103)
Wait I'm even more confused. If I build a hackintosh can I buy osx from the apple store. And install it?

Not saying I am. Too much effort. I would just get a windows machine if I'm not on mac.

I don't know, you probably can. Though "buying" it doesn't give you license to use it -- licensing comes via hardware, therefore people talk about Hackintoshes and not 3rd party Macs.

I really don't know how it works, but my moral standpoint hasn't allowed me to even think of trying


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