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jp.donnelly 12-05-2016 11:36 PM

Inserts & Sends
 
Hi all,

Is there any timescale on when we'll be able to instantiate inserts and sends directly from the S6?

We "upgraded" two of our rooms (we're a Higher Education provider and ALP) from C24s to S6's and the features missing from the S6 (sends and inserts being the big two) are just mind boggling. The feel, softkeys and so forth make the S6 a wonderful upgrade, but not being able to add sends and inserts just boggles the mind!

Drew Mazurek 12-06-2016 12:07 AM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jp.donnelly (Post 2399322)
Hi all,

Is there any timescale on when we'll be able to instantiate inserts and sends directly from the S6?

We "upgraded" two of our rooms (we're a Higher Education provider and ALP) from C24s to S6's and the features missing from the S6 (sends and inserts being the big two) are just mind boggling. The feel, softkeys and so forth make the S6 a wonderful upgrade, but not being able to add sends and inserts just boggles the mind!

When one considers that the S6 is mostly aimed at Post work, and their reliance on templates, it's easier to understand the omission. IOW, if all your sends and inserts are already there, there's no need to be able to assign them. Is your mind "unboggled"??? :D

No excusing it or saying you don't have a point, just trying to help you understand why it might be this way.

jp.donnelly 12-06-2016 01:27 AM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew Mazurek (Post 2399326)
When one considers that the S6 is mostly aimed at Post work, and their reliance on templates, it's easier to understand the omission. IOW, if all your sends and inserts are already there, there's no need to be able to assign them. Is your mind "unboggled"??? :D

No excusing it or saying you don't have a point, just trying to help you understand why it might be this way.

I understand that, but as a replacement to the Icon, which was used in mixing facilities, too, you'd think there'd be more mixing functionality. Being able to exmake and a plugin over multiple channels is fantastic. Being able to assign sends and inserts like you can inputs and outputs would've been the cherry on the cake IMO.

EddieJones 12-07-2016 07:45 AM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
Definitely on our to do list, once we get a few other things done first.

priorytools 12-20-2016 05:47 AM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
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Originally Posted by EddieJones (Post 2399670)
Definitely on our to do list, once we get a few other things done first.

Like naming the sources ?

:-)

creativecontrol 01-05-2017 11:01 AM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
Like automagically binding XMON or MTRX (AX32).



:)

rus5 01-05-2017 12:36 PM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew Mazurek (Post 2399326)
When one considers that the S6 is mostly aimed at Post work, and their reliance on templates, it's easier to understand the omission. IOW, if all your sends and inserts are already there, there's no need to be able to assign them. Is your mind "unboggled"??? :D

No excusing it or saying you don't have a point, just trying to help you understand why it might be this way.

Hi Drew!

Wow!! Reading your post sent CHILLS down my spine!! "... mostly aimed at Post work" ?!?!? I may be completely missing it here but I think I could go back and find Avid ads, Avid statements in this forum, Avid presentations at conventions and conferences, Avid videos, etc that clearly describe the S6 as the perfect MIXING solution (along with being the perfect Post solution). And that it is intended to replace their previous mixing targeted products. I can at least say for sure a whole lot of us definitely had that impression.

Even without knowing you, I can assure you that you are FAR more knowledgeable about all of this than I am (which is why your comment was so scary). But from my point of view, I wouldn't have thought that a focus on Post (vs. say mixing, or tracking...) is, or should be, driving any Avid choices regarding what features should be included in S6 software updates. Did I buy the wrong thing??

PS. I've been feeling the same way as JP about inserts and sends and I think others have too??

jp.donnelly 01-06-2017 02:09 AM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rus5 (Post 2405170)
Hi Drew!

Wow!! Reading your post sent CHILLS down my spine!!

PS. I've been feeling the same way as JP about inserts and sends and I think others have too??

Same, Russ.

We were in conversation with Avid at the time of purchasing and fully explained our needs. These were a replacement to two of our C|24's that we used for tracking and mixing, sure adding inserts and controlling plug-ins was clunky, but sends weren't. It's quite concerning to think we've parted with over 30k on two S6's to now be told what we're using it for isn't priority for Avid, and knowing the turnaround timescale for a lot of Avid's fixes, the concern is only accentuated.

Has anybody else noticed that the modifier keys appear to not function correctly? Setting inputs in batches (i.e all inputs to input 1) used to be a simple assign whilst holding alt on the C24, but on the S6, it doesn't seem to work the same way.

Drew Mazurek 01-06-2017 02:58 AM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
Guys,
I'm just a user like you are. I don't work for or speak for Avid. Sorry if you mistook my attempt at explaining possible motivations for an omission as subterfuge. I too would have expected complete ICON parity and then some by now, which is why I am not an S6 owner. Once it actually suits my needs, I'll buy. (I do get to use them at various studios though)

I did enjoy Russ's little dramatic post though, thanks!! :)

arche3 01-06-2017 09:26 AM

Re: Inserts & Sends
 
Wait...? you can't assign inserts and sends from the surface? S6 has been out years now.

I'm about to pull trigger on s6m40 32 fader to replace my icon d control 48 fader .


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