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crizdee 08-17-2010 12:05 PM

HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Hi,

HEAT (Harmonically Enhanced Algorithm Technology) software allows customers to add the realism of vintage analog sound to the Pro Tools(R) mixer via a single global control -- eliminating the time consuming and complex task of managing plug-in changes across multiple tracks and allowing customers to remain focused on the craft of mixing.

Here's the HEAT information page where there's a link to getting the 30 day demo

http://www.avid.com/US/products/HEAT

works with 8.1 or higher, and snow leopard only

Starting on August 18, 2010, HEAT comes bundled with all new Pro Tools HD core systems!
Heat is available to purchase for $495 / £416 / Euro 495

A quick test was showing 60 mono tracks would use about 2 accel chips or 4 non accel chips

The installer is included with the pro tools install package or from your product page in your account.

once installed you activate heat from the "options menu"

to view heat go to the view menu and select heat for the mix window.

to view the master controls for heat go to the far right of the mix window and at the very bottom there's a small left pointing arrow which you click on. or hover the mouse over the far right edge of the mix window till the <|> arrows appear and double click. now the master control will be showing on the far right of the mix window.

on the channel controls you can have it set to "pre" to have it process first in the plugin chain or "post" to have it process as the last plugin in the chain.

The master control obviously affects all the individual channels, plus the master control has a bypass to completely bypass all Heat processing. The green power button turns Heat off completely and transport has to be stopped to turn on/off


Chris

Sean Russell 08-17-2010 12:07 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crizdee (Post 1653342)
Hi,

HEAT (Harmonically Enhanced Algorithm Technology) software allows customers to add the realism of vintage analog sound to the Pro Tools(R) mixer via a single global control -- eliminating the time consuming and complex task of managing plug-in changes across multiple tracks and allowing customers to remain focused on the craft of mixing.

I have installed it but it needs authorizing! so i assume it needs purchasing as well unless there's a free ilok upgrade for this.


Chris

Unless you bought a new system just now, it's $495.

Repo 08-17-2010 12:10 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Its worth it!

LSD-Studio 08-17-2010 12:12 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
dammit, I'd love to try it.

I'm one of those idiots on a G5 though, so no Intel-->no PT8.1-->no heat.
I could perhaps afford a new Mac, but all my HD cards are PCI, so I'd not only have to shell out like 2500 for a Mac but another 10k or something for a PCIe upgrade.

=> if I wanna try HEAT I'd have to shell out like 12-15K or something to build an entire system. Ghey.

does anyone have an idea if there'll be a HEAT version for 8.01 in the future? (I know, I'm being way too optimistic here :( )

P A M 08-17-2010 12:13 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
@Chris, you should try the 30-day trial. This is not only nice - its VERY nice.

Rammelt 08-17-2010 12:14 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Chris, there is a Trial, I just downloaded it from iLok.com.
I'm only waiting for my system backup to finish before I install 8.1 and HEAT.

BR,
John

WorldStudios 08-17-2010 12:33 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
This seems to be just what we were dreaming of... But it is 495€ in the EU stores. Why the freak is that? If a € equals a USD, then I will borrow 495 million USD and trade them for 495 million € from Avid the same day. Nice!

Dism 08-17-2010 12:37 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LSD-Studio (Post 1653348)
dammit, I'd love to try it.

I'm one of those idiots on a G5 though, so no Intel-->no PT8.1-->no heat.
I could perhaps afford a new Mac, but all my HD cards are PCI, so I'd not only have to shell out like 2500 for a Mac but another 10k or something for a PCIe upgrade.

=> if I wanna try HEAT I'd have to shell out like 12-15K or something to build an entire system. Ghey.

does anyone have an idea if there'll be a HEAT version for 8.01 in the future? (I know, I'm being way too optimistic here :( )

If you have a G5 it means...

Nothing past 8.0.1cs2.

No 8.1. No new interfaces. No HEAT.

One will also note that 8.1 will only work with Snow Leopard, and is the very last build for HD systems still on XP. Time to move on to the future, folks.

pidge 08-17-2010 12:48 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dism (Post 1653370)
Time to move on to the future, folks.

will heat work with my studer??? :D:D:p:p

khoop2112 08-17-2010 12:50 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
I'm hoping this is different than just putting a Crane Song Phoenix on every channel. There doesn't seem to be much info about how HEAT works - does it change the actual summing that occurs in the Stereo Mixer, or does it just apply this 'tone' to every channel and the master fader?

Anyone know more info?

crizdee 08-17-2010 01:03 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Hi,

Trying the demo...

http://www.avid.com/US/products/HEAT

Chris

LSD-Studio 08-17-2010 01:11 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dism (Post 1653370)
If you have a G5 it means...

Nothing past 8.0.1cs2.

No 8.1. No new interfaces. No HEAT.

I thought that's what I said ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dism (Post 1653370)
... Time to move on to the future, folks.

believe me, I'd love to, it's not exactly pocketoney to upgrade a Mac and a full blown HD3 system at the same time though, especially since I just bought my PCIx HD system last year (stupid, I know)

WorldStudios 08-17-2010 01:13 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
So, tell us, how much does it tax the system? Where does it get its power from? RTAS or TDM? Is it possible to add this to a big mix with 100+ voices running on a HD3?

It seems to add a nice sound (from hearing the demo), though... As always, easy to overdo. And... does it do more to the sound of the mix than sticking some nice analog outboard on the master would?

Questions...

crizdee 08-17-2010 01:19 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by P A M (Post 1653350)
@Chris, you should try the 30-day trial. This is not only nice - its VERY nice.

Hi,

They lied about this! its a 16 day trial:rolleyes:

Chris

25ghosts 08-17-2010 01:25 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldStudios (Post 1653365)
This seems to be just what we were dreaming of... But it is 495€ in the EU stores. Why the freak is that? If a € equals a USD, then I will borrow 495 million USD and trade them for 495 million € from Avid the same day. Nice!

HEAT is worth EVERY cent and even more... That is of course merely my 'humble' opinion. I use it A LOT :-)

crizdee 08-17-2010 01:31 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldStudios (Post 1653402)
So, tell us, how much does it tax the system? Where does it get its power from? RTAS or TDM? Is it possible to add this to a big mix with 100+ voices running on a HD3?

It seems to add a nice sound (from hearing the demo), though... As always, easy to overdo. And... does it do more to the sound of the mix than sticking some nice analog outboard on the master would?

Questions...

Hi,

On a 50 track mix it used about 1 chip

Here's a screen shot showing the master controls for heat and the insert on the track etc! it doesn't use a plugin slot it has its own dedicated slot!! it has drive and tone adjustments!


http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e.../USAGEHEAT.jpg



Chris

WorldStudios 08-17-2010 01:32 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
US cent - not eurocent ;-)

Tell us more!

WorldStudios 08-17-2010 01:34 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
So, it IS TDM, then and uses DSP sharing. One chip for 50 channels is not a lot. Good news!

badboymusic 08-17-2010 01:35 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
It sounds like Phoenix to me, anyone else?

WorldStudios 08-17-2010 01:36 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Phoenix sounds good to me! :-)

badboymusic 08-17-2010 01:55 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldStudios (Post 1653423)
Phoenix sounds good to me! :-)

Me too!

But, I am wondering if anyone else is hearing the similarity?

Dism 08-17-2010 01:56 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboymusic (Post 1653447)
Me too!

But, I am wondering if anyone else is hearing the similarity?

Well it is made by the same guys... so it does make sense. ;)

Key Features

  • Easily add analog warmth and character to any Pro Tools|HD mix
  • No need to launch a plug-in—access HEAT right in your Pro Tools Mix window
  • Control HEAT across every channel of your mix, without having to manage multiple instances
  • Realistically re-create the sound of audio mixed through vintage analog gear
  • Designed in collaboration with Cranesong founder, Dave Hill

KingFish 08-17-2010 02:02 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
This is the Exact direction HD needed to go, it DRASTICALLY, IMHO changes the sound of the Mixer (In a fantastic way) - I don't think I'll be willing to mix without it in the future.

Congrats, this sounds really great... surprisingly, really great.

Drew Mazurek 08-17-2010 02:03 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Why surprised?

Dave *motherf*cking* Hill.

:D

25ghosts 08-17-2010 02:11 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboymusic (Post 1653421)
It sounds like Phoenix to me, anyone else?

IMO == you cant compare it to Phoenix AT ALL....

I got Phoenix but I rarely use it... You have many other options in HEAT.
IMO - Heat is simply Fantassimo.

zeeman 08-17-2010 02:17 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
They just fixed the demo to 30 days.
not sure what happened if you already downloaded it.
I'm waiting to see if they update my ilok account before i download.

This info came from:
Shari Johnston
Demand Generation Specialist | Marketing Operation


zeeman

GS-DK 08-17-2010 02:20 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldStudios (Post 1653365)
This seems to be just what we were dreaming of... But it is 495€ in the EU stores. Why the freak is that? If a € equals a USD, then I will borrow 495 million USD and trade them for 495 million € from Avid the same day. Nice!

And reason NOT to buy......the difference is BIG......

bad jitter 08-17-2010 02:27 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Great. From now on every mix is going to sound heated. Signature sound of late 2010 / 2011.

Evil Jack 08-17-2010 02:32 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Can you have it on busses too?

D'Animation 08-17-2010 02:37 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dism (Post 1653370)
If you have a G5 it means...

Nothing past 8.0.1cs2.

No 8.1. No new interfaces. No HEAT.

One will also note that 8.1 will only work with Snow Leopard, and is the very last build for HD systems still on XP. Time to move on to the future, folks.

OK but I've said it before and I still think its a bit early to drop Leopard considering how long Tiger and PPC hung about

Dism 08-17-2010 02:39 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D'Animation (Post 1653487)
OK but I've said it before and I still think its a bit early to drop Leopard considering how long Tiger and PPC hung about

Perhaps... but Tiger and PPC hanging about was moreso at the discretion of Apple. Avid only dropped PPC support at the same time Apple did, it made sense really.

I still run Leopard, too, and will probably continue to do so until I have a good reason to upgrade. If I dabble in this new HD stuff... it will be a good reason. ;)

crizdee 08-17-2010 02:48 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Jack (Post 1653485)
Can you have it on busses too?


NO, Just audio tracks.

To me its nothing like Phoenix.

Chris

badboymusic 08-17-2010 02:53 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 25ghosts (Post 1653466)
IMO == you cant compare it to Phoenix AT ALL....

I got Phoenix but I rarely use it... You have many other options in HEAT.
IMO - Heat is simply Fantassimo.

Sound wise to me they are similar, but I haven't tried the demo. So, you would be a better judge than I would.

What makes it so much better than Phoenix in your opinion? You mentioned options, but on the surface I don't see that big of a difference.

Thanks for your input!
I am laid up at the moment and won't get around to demoing it for quite a while.

Evil Jack 08-17-2010 02:54 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crizdee (Post 1653496)
NO, Just audio tracks.

To me its nothing like Phoenix.

Chris

Odd.:confused:

Thanks Chris.

25ghosts 08-17-2010 03:01 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboymusic (Post 1653503)
Sound wise to me they are similar, but I haven't tried the demo. So, you would be a better judge than I would.

What makes it so much better than Phoenix in your opinion?

Better sounding is of course opinionated. I really like what HEAT does to the highs/life of the overall sound. It is kind of VERY hard to explain... The analog board I mix on at times has a 2" inch tape deck hooked up to it and the sound really reminds me of that. Phoenix I dont really like and I hate having to insert it on different tracks etc. NO OUTPUT CONTROL. Also, I can never remember which of the five editions I had inserted. etc etc.
I like(d) McDSP analog Channel better than Phoenix anyway, so perhaps I aint the right one to ask.

Would interest me though, what other folks think who owns phoenix.
At least, none of the so called tape emulators never did it for me, but HEAT is really pleasing to my ears.

Quote:

You mentioned options, but on the surface I don't see that big of a difference.
HEAT basically is applied to all audio tracks (there are bypass' and PREs) on all. You have one MASTER control over HEAT. 1) Drive (Positive & Negative) value. 2) Tone - turn it CW and you will get air, CCW you get no air.

I have not read the manual, purposely to what the controls are doing. Reason is that if I do read it, my mind will be
telling me what the controls do exactly, and I prefer my ears and what they are telling me. Maybe I'm weird in that regard but thats me :-)

P A M 08-17-2010 03:05 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crizdee (Post 1653496)
NO, Just audio tracks.

To me its nothing like Phoenix.

Chris

Agree, nothing soundwise like Phoenix. Just did a quick accoustic mix with heat - what a difference... (never liked Phoenix much - but thats an other story..)

I actually think its affecting the master also (just no control) not fully tested yet tho..

Sean Halley 08-17-2010 03:05 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
I've been mixing with it for awhile now, and I'm summing into multiple audio tracks set to input - that way you get HEAT on both the source tracks and the summing busses, so to speak.

You have to print back into PT this way (because you can't Bounce with a track in Input), but it works great, and it allows you to better manage the dsp resources that way as well.

Hope that helps,

S..

P A M 08-17-2010 03:08 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
@S - thanks for the crearification ;)

anguswoodhead 08-17-2010 04:38 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
Sounds very cool in theory.
My HD system arrives this week.
I have the TDM McDSP Analog Channel coming also.
Should I sell it and use HEAT in your opinion or stick with Analog Ch.
I also have the Phoenix coming so very interested to hear the difference.

khoop2112 08-17-2010 06:10 PM

Re: HEAT (Harmonically enhanced Algorithm Technology)
 
I own Phoenix, and to me Heat sounds NOTHING like Phoenix. Phoenix never got really crunch when you pushed it. Heat barks like crazy. So far, I love it.


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