Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

I hope someone here with experience using Structure to import samples to create patches can help me with this. Several times I've created patches by importing samples from a sample source, assigned them easily across the keyboard, did whatever edits, even created multiple parts with the same sample to add depth and so forth. No problems.

THIS time, however, I'm running into all sorts of issues that I can't fathom.

1. In the past, I've been able to simply drag my samples from the Windows explorer directly into Structure. This time, the only way I was able to get the samples was to use the browser inside Structure. I've NEVER had to do that before.
2. After I got the part loaded, I needed to go into each sample's wave form and set loop points. No issue. Then I saved the entire patch. No problem. But then....
3. I wanted to copy the part a couple of times in order to add some depth to the overall patch. But I can't see any way to do that. When I try to copy and paste the part, it tells me the samples are missing and they're all in red on the copied part (not the original Part 1). A screen pops up asking me to select the root directory where the samples are stored. So I select it...I can see all the samples right there! No go. It's like Structure doesn't even see them! I've tried with both Recursive search ON and OFF. No joy.
4. I tried to re-save the patch, after making some tweaks on part 1. Then I get a pop up message me telling me I can't save it because I may not be authorized. Huh? I mean what the hell?

I'm not trying to do anything I haven't done a hundred times prior. And I can't figure out what's going on.

I'm using Structure 2.0 in PT 12.8, on Win-10. Anyone?

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Pro Tools 12.8 – try Structure 2.0.7

As I'm sure you'll enjoy having the VST version of Structure 2.0.7 in Reason 10's Combinator (soon!) - now's a great time to grab the free version of Xpand!2 from
http://www.dontcrack.com/news/2017/1...k-exclusive-2/

and upgrade it to get the entire AIR Instrument Expansion Pack 3 Complete
"with its collection of twenty virtual instruments and progressive sound-design tools for only $74.99 (149.99 list) a saving of 50%."

If you decide to take the plunge:
Backup your Favorites, Imported Audio and Presets from
C:\Program Files (x86)\AIR Music Technology\Structure

Delete:
C:\ProgramData\AIR Music Technology\Structure

Structure Free (which comes bundled with Pro Tools) must be uninstalled before installing the Full version of Structure.

Uninstall Structure 2.0

Run CCleaner and restart computer.

Don't use the Structure 2.0.7 Updater (Windows) from
http://www.airmusictech.com/product/structure-2#updates


Instead – use the Full Installer for Structure 2.0.7 – from
http://www.airmusictech.com/retail/redeem


PS – interested to see if Transfuser 2.0.7.19000 behaves itself here
http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=394347
Were you using Transfuser version 2.0?

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

I already have the XPand2 VST, which I got for free off Don'tCrack. I'll have to check the exact version of Structure I'm currently running. I know it's 2.0.something.

I'm reluctant to upgrade for a bunch of reasons. One is I've not been all that impressed with the lack of help of AIR. I've had too many bad experiences with them. For example, about 18 months ago, I purchased an expansion pack off the AIR website for Vacuum Pro. I had then most current version. No matter what I tried, it would NOT allow me to install the expansion. I finally contacted AIR. It took them also a week to finally get back to me. When I did have them on the phone, the guy had me try several things, but to no avail. So, I requested a refund. Never saw it!

When I upgraded to 2.0...the process took forever and I had to uninstall and reinstall some things 4-5 times before everything finally worked.

I just don't want to go through all that again!

The problems I had today are not usual. In fact, everything I described today, I've done hundreds of times prior with no issues. Have no idea what has changed to make this happen. It also makes no sense. I import the WAV samples, create a patch and save it. Then, when I go to edit it and add some tweaks and re-save, it tells me I'm don't have access? Huh? Its MY patch for Pete's sake! And, Windows says I have all the permissions for the file, too. So, there's no rhyme nor reason for this one.

Then, when I try to duplicate a part, it tells me it can't find the files, even though I've navigated to the exact folder where all the supposed "missing" samples are. It just ignores it. Totally bizarre!

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Look in Windows Control Panel>Programs and Features
to see your version of Structure – the latest version is Structure 2.0.7.19000

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

I have 12.0.6.x The fact that you have to go through all the steps you outlined just to do a simple update is why I don't want to deal with AIR all that much. That's simply ridiculous. NOWHERE on their webpage for the Structure update (or any of the others for that matter) does it say to do all that. If AIR can't make it simple to do a routine update, then to heck with them!

They can't even be bothered to outline a step by step process for updating on the update page? That's ridiculous.

I appreciate YOU responding to me...but AIR is just horrible at customer service and taking care of users. WAY to much trouble for simple updates!

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

For most software developers, updates simply require downloading the update and installing. Here's what happens when you download the updater for Structure to get 12.0.7 (And mind you, there's not one word on the update page about doing an update differently than just downloading and installing):

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

For those interested in Structure, here's some Digidesign videos – (10 years old in 3 days time!) - including the “sadly missed & still much-requested” Drag and Drop


Structure: Introduction - Virtual Instrument for Pro Tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBEXXNvysmo

Structure: Layering Sounds - Virtual Instrument for Pro Tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXhdZoSZNbo

Structure: Mapping Samples - Virtual Instrument for Pro Tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9bwpn77Nq0

Structure: Keyswitching - Virtual Instrument for Pro Tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnxFQfxuta0]

Structure: Multi-Timbral Operation - Virtual Instrument for Pro Tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcMP0bQXsqk

Structure: Drag and Drop - Virtual Instrument for Pro Tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmGCkV0mGz8


& these are from Groove3:

Smart Knobs (Structure Explained)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1bw2g3VuaE

Slice & Sample (Pro Tools Beat Guru)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqC3pj3W-KI

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

There were all great. Thanks for posting them. Peter Jackson did a great job explaining stuff.

There was one series he did on doing a re-mix in Pro Tools where he took a song called "Prepare for the Fight" from the Lovemakers. He used Structure to create this really cool stutter effect on the vocal. I haven't been able to find that series anywhere. It was a good one as it showed some creative ways to use Structure.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Russ Hughes explained a long while back that the reason the drag and dropped disappeared was that it had to do with the way RTAS worked vs AAX. I don't recall the specifics, but the d&d function only worked with RTAS because it basically exploited a weakness in the way RTAS handled plugins. That disappeared with AAX, which made plugins more stable in the PT environment.

Of course, d&d from within the Structure browser works just fine.

Speaking of which. Jackson does this in the video on mapping samples, but doesn't say how: how do you grab multiple samples at once out of the Structure browser. I can't find the right key combination to allow you to select more than one sample at a time, like he shows in that video.
That would speed up some things. I just can't remember how to do it.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

"Create vocal stutters" on Pro Tools Accelerated Videos
High-Definition Edition
Season 1

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Avid-Protools...UAAOSwIWVY-Gk6
(I'm not the Seller!)

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Well, this went from bad to worse. After trying to update Structure, and having it not work, I discover that Structure is no longer available either in Pro Tools or as VST. Finally got hold of support at AIR with a guy named Chris. He tells me that the error is just some general Windows error, so that was of little help. He said he doesn't see anyone else reporting any issues with upgrading either. So, I don't get it. None of it makes any sense!

Anyways, he had me uninstall Structure, and then he's sending me the full program so I can re-install it. Hopefully that will work.

Also, 12.0.7 is really only adding some functionality relative to VIP, which I don't use, so its not necessary to upgrade ANY of the IEP VI's unless you're using that.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

You can download the Full Installer for Structure 2.0.7 – from
http://www.airmusictech.com/retail/redeem

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Thanks. He’s already sent me the file


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Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

5-6 attempts at downloading from the Dropbox link that the AIR support person sent me, and I still can't get it. Goes to about 90% done, then just fails.

The link above is, apparently ONLY for the AIEP 3.0. There's no place I can see to download just Structure 2.0.7

Now, I won't be able to work on any of the stuff I was going to this weekend, because I'm completely without Structure.

AIR is the ONLY plugin provider where I encounter these kinds of issues. So frustrating!!!

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Click on the (yellow) PC PART 1 (works OK here)

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

I bought the DVD “Pro Tools Accelerated Videos — High-Definition Edition 8009-59046-00” for $25 in 2009 from the Avid Store.
I've PM'd Jeffro (Mr Fix-It!) to see if it can be made available again, from the Avid Store.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Any joy downloading Structure 2.0.7 – from
http://www.airmusictech.com/retail/redeem
- Click on the (yellow) PC PART 1
?

Gotta go finish wheel-barrowing 5 tons of garden soil - will come back & check your progress in an hour ....

Good Luck!

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Okay, I downloaded this. Click on it, but all it wants to do is install the sample libraries. Those I have. Is there not a single file program to just install the Structure plugin ONLY. Do I need to download all 5 of these? it looks to me like its the whole factory library, and NOT the actual plugin.

Why is this so damn difficult? I'm sorry to be so stupid, but none of this makes any sense to me. All I need to do is install the Structure update.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

No

Yes

The Updater doesn't work ....
that's why (unfortunately - definitely!) a Full Installation is required ....

as I previously posted in December 2015:
http://duc.avid.com/showpost.php?p=2319000&postcount=45

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Ok. I’ll do it tomorrow. I’ve had enough for today. And thank you


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Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Whatta Joke !!! Just to install the app package for Structure you need to download 40-50GB of samples :rolleyes:

Another reason we haven't opened structure or strike for two years now.
Why not use something better than structure Donald? It is a dog and we know it.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Hi Chris

Sure is a pain in the propenthesis!

I'm currently setting up my wife's computer with PT12HD .... while I'm gardening, I'll start the full Structure 2.0.7 download (narrowBand here!), just to see how long it takes ....

I don't work for AIR Music Technology/inMusic Brands.
I have posted on the AIR Beta Forum and asked for a pain-free Installer - and hopefully, it's still in the pipeline.

I'd like to add that since inMusic Brands bought AIR Music Technology (with its inherent problems) from Avid, Simon Bangs has promptly answered all emails - he's been great. I'll bump him again today about the "pain-free Structure 2.0.8 Updater - use your current samples".

In the meantime, the sunshine beckons and a Full Install is the only way today!

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

I know you don't work for AIR but we are lucky to have you here on the forum with all your assistance with this company seeing you are always helping members here to get their stuff sorted so Thank You for all your help in both troubleshooting and assistance with AIR.

We really appreciate the help so don't disappear from the DUC please :-)

Reg the AIR VI some are great like LOOM/HYBRID3/Transfuser which we use pretty often for that sound the usual suspects doesn't really deliver on so I am not against the VI, just the installer process and all the authorizing on each plugin which should be IMNSHO like UA UAD-2. One installer and you can authorize any new plugin or demo with ONE click and boom - There it is. No restarts or other complexity, just click buy or demo and the plugin starts right up

Downloading the Structure and Strike libs are JUUUUUUUGE (Best Donald Voice) and for many many people out there bandwith prices are expansive so having to redownload all those parts and risk having one of them go wrong when you install is crazy as you have to do it all over.

I am not kidding, looked at a few of our library SSD's when we added a new batch and backed up the older ones we had 6 full Structure and Strike folders spread out with like 60+ GB of samples which has been downloaded many times and forgot to delete the old libraries so one gets pretty peed off seeing that they are already on the drives and still needed to be downloaded again.

Having their system set up like this is like 2010 and we have moved on a long time ago now so time for a change in AIR customer satisfaction.

Sorry for the off topic Donald but I just got caught up hehe

All The Best Luck with your problem and praying you get up and running tomorrow when you revisit this.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Spot on! 100% with you there.

I'm just happy that Simon keeps replying to my emails - if anyone's going to fix this up, it's Simon!

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

NOt off topic at all. Very much ON topic. I have to download ALL the samples I already have just to get an update, because the update itself simply won't work no matter what. AIR is way behind the curve on ease of installation and updating.

Like you, I find many of their VI's very nice and I use them a lot, especially Transfuser, Hybrid 3, and Structure (and, I'll confess, Xpand2...which I KNOW is one that many, many pros secretly use, but won't admit to it). Structure is, in my opinion, one of the very best sample based VIs out there. You can just do so much with it. But the hassle of installing and updating...GEESH!

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

And I'll echo Christopher here in being grateful we have you around here to explain all this to us. Again, grateful for your help these past couple of days!:cool::cool::cool:

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Well, finally got it downloaded off the website and installed. I was able to re-install without installing all the patches, though I had to download and unpack them all.

Looks like everything's working again. So thanks for all the help.

One function I can't seem to get to work is re-naming the Assignable Knobs. All the videos I've ever seen show you just double click on the Knob name and change it. But that doesn't work. Is there some other way? It would help to be able to do that. Thanks.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Its not just me. Here's Benoni's rant. He's exactly right in what he says in the first 5 min or so. This update process is totally unacceptable!

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Tortoise Report:

finally crossed the line - Structure 2.0.7 AAX & VST installed.

Glad we're all sorted ....

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Well, at least we can uncheck what we don't want to install...like all the factory content, even though we have download it all... or 32bit VST. Odd that you can't tell it to not install 32bit AAX, though.

Are you able to re-name smart knobs? How about copying a part in the sample edit screen? I can't do either. I don't see any way to highlight a part layer and just duplicate it in the same patch. That's gotta be a flaw.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Well, the bad news is the original PT Accelerated video with Phil Jackson is still nowhere to be found. But the GOOD news is, I found the session where I used the technique following the example he did in that video. I did this session a long time back and just stumbled on it last night going through some older sessions. So, I made a template from it so I can easily import it all set up ready to go whenever I wish.

I was able to reverse engineer it to figure out how it was done, too, so I should be able to replicate it whenever I wish.

Its a great way to create a stutter effect using a full sample phrase.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

:D That was like over a year ago and I STILL have not tried ANY updates of AIR products. I'll use what I have at the current version. Instead, I just got Komplete 11 Ultimate last year (upgraded from K9), and it's been great. Updates are simple, Native Access works very well now (there were problems last year), and there is so much content included. Plus, Kontakt and Reaktor are so deep, between those two, there isn't a sound in the world you can't create.

It's not that AIR VIs are bad, they sound good, but the update process is crazy.

BTW, Native Instruments has Komplete upgrades at 50% off right now. Well worth the investment IMO.

Re: Need Help with AIR Structure - Creating a patch from imported samples
 

Brian - Yeah, I agree with you about AIR. Love the products themselves. Use most of them all the time in multiple ways. But the upgrade/download process leaves a lot to be desired and is a real hurdle for me to upgrade further.

I don't have Kontakt. I may go that route sometime in the future, but I opted for other things at the time and right now don't have a real good reason to pick it up. That may change as my film/video/game scoring opportunities pick up.