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DJTempo 12-16-2009 12:03 PM

Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Macintosh G4, 1.25GHz, single processor, OS 9.2.1. Digidesign AudioMedia III PCI card with DigiSystem Init 3.4.2 and 5.0 (niether has worked). ATTO PCT SCSI-3 card, numerous drives.

When I try to launch Sound Designer, I get a window saying: Hardware Setup: Select Card Type, with "Audiomedia" listed and the check box blackened, but under "cards to use" it says "Card 1: none".

I've tried a number of DigiSytem Inits, the ones I figured would work being 3.4.2 and 5.0. Neither has allowed the Mac to see the card.

When I look at the Devices And Volumes tab of the Apple System Profiler window, it shows a "PCI Slot" for Slot 4 (I have the AM3 card in Slot 4), but it doesn't see it as the AM3 card.

I've been dreaming of setting up the fastest possible system for running Sound Designer as I do a LOT of 2-track editing. I finally took the dive and bought the 1.25GHz Mac a few weeks ago, but am starting to wonder if it's just not possible to get this Legacy Hardware to work on a "newer" Mac, even though I'm running OS 9.2.1.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks...

Chip

milesofwire 12-16-2009 03:11 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Is the AMCC chip revision QC of QE? if it's a Q that is why it wont show up.

John_Toolbox 12-16-2009 05:02 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Does sound designer II actually work on OS9?

I seem to remember someone telling me that it only works with system 7 or maybe 8 at the latest. I'm not sure about that, my own personal experience only goes back to PTIII PCI/ OS9/PT 5.0.1.

DJTempo 12-16-2009 07:08 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
If I'm reading the right number: S5933QC. So...?

re: John Toolbox: I've had SD 2.8.3 running under OS 9.1 on my old G3's (with the same card in question).

My reason for buying the 1.25GHz is that it is the fastest Mac available that will boot into OS9 (specifically 9.2 or later). SDII won't run under OSX (I don't think, anyone?), so I am trying to make do.

DJTempo 12-17-2009 12:55 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Just to be sure it wasn't the card, I put it back in a Beige G3 (233MHz, I think), running OS 9.1, Atto SCSI-3 card. Works fine. I'd had it in that CPU a while back, knew it worked there.

So... ?

John_Toolbox 12-17-2009 04:26 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
The QC revision card should be fine as far as compatibility with the G4.

What you have is a software problem of some sort.

I know that mdd G4's used a special version of os 9.2 call "OS9 general"

There might be something different in that version that is causing an incompatibility.

First thing I would do is look at the extensions manager on your G3 and compare it to the set on your G4. Make sure the G4 has all of the extensions that the G3 has and that they are enabled. If that's good then start disabling any extensions on the G4 that the G3 doesn't have. Remember you need to restart for the changes to be effective.

I have never run into a piece of software that ran on OS 9.1 but did not run on OS 9.2, so I think you have a good chance of success getting this going.

DJTempo 12-18-2009 03:58 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
I agree. Apple was very good about maintaining backwards compatibility with all their legacy products, up to the introduction of OS X.

My concern is that the 1.25 was the end of the line as far as OS9 compatibility went. I'm wondering if they hadn't pushed the 9 envelope so far that the "ultimate" OS9 machine was so advanced that it wasn't actually 100% compatible. Not to mention that Sound Designer was VERY processor/hardware intensive. It was integrated into the OS very tightly as it was having to provide fast processing on say, a 25MHz 030 machine (which was about the fastest available when it first came out). Being that is was designed to be so processor intensive, might it be that the advances of the 1.25 GHz G4 were inaccessible to Sound Designer?

I know I'm speaking entirely theoretically here, but I have to wonder if I'm not trying to get something to work that can't.

Delta Music Belgium 12-19-2009 05:43 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
I still have (and use from time to time) my old Pro Tools 24 MIX rig, it is a Mac G4 Dual 1.25 GHz MDD (FW 400) + 2 GB RAM + ATTO UL2D. I have a Digidesign 13 slot expansion chassis conntected with a MIX Core + 3 x MIX Farm + 4 x SampleCell II TDM. I also have an AudioMedia III card + Miro DC30Plus inside the G4 + a MBox connected via USB.

I have a few different startup HD partions:

- with OS X 10.4.11 I use the Mbox with PT LE 7.4cs10

- with OS X 10.3.9 I use the Expansion Chassis with Mix hardware with PT 6.4.1cs4

- with OS 9.2.2 I use the Expansion Chassis with Mix hardware with PT 5.1.1cs1 or PT 5.1.3 (both DAE 5.1.1 + DSI 5.1), but I can't use Sounddesigner 2.8.3 with the Mix hardware

- with OS 9.2.2 (and the Expansion Chassis with Mix hardware is switched off), I use Sounddesigner 2.8.3 with AudioMedia III, it works like a charm (using the same DAE 5.1.1 + DSI 5.1)

My Audiomedia III card is in slot 3 of the Mac G4 Dual 1.25 GHz MDD, in the Digidesign Hardware Setup I choose 'Slot 3' and here I can control the Audiomedia III card

I hope this can help you a bit, it's just to show you what works...

DJTempo 12-20-2009 08:53 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
OK, I'm guessing it's a hardware incompatibility with the G4 architecture. I took the AM3 card out of the 1.25GHz G4, and put it in my old 733MHz G4. I have the 9.2.2 OS and Sound Designer installed on an external SCSI-3 disk, so I can move it between machines easily enough. The older Blue&White G3 I connected it to ran Sound Designer just fine. Put the same external drive on the 733 or 1.25, and Sound Designer can't find the card.

Do any of the Digidesign guru's out there know of an incompatibility between the AudioMedia 3 card and the architecture of the 1.25GHz G4? If not... any other ideas?

I tried eliminating virtually all of the extensions that weren't necessary through the Extensions Manager Control Panel. As I mentioned earlier, I'm booting off an external drive so I can make changes that will follow through to whatever machine I happen to connect the drive to.

HELP!?!?!?

Delta Music Belgium 12-20-2009 10:16 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
I have never known about any hardware incompatibility between an AM III and the G4 architecture, I have serviced all of the different types of G4's (PCI/AGP/DA/Quicksilver/MDD) with an AM III (and/or PT III/PT24/PT24 MIX) in the past, so I'm certain it should work. In the compato doc's on the Digidesign website you can also read your G4 1.25 GHz is supported (see here)

I'm 99,9% sure your problem is a software problem, you use a HD from your B/W G3 as a start-up disk for a G4 with all the preferences, etc... for your B/W G3 present. When you do that, once your G4 did launch you should trash at least the DAE preferences + your Digisetup (very important) and do a restart. The DSI should do a search for your AM III and maybe it will be selectable again.

Btw, when you install PCI cards in a G4 it is always a good idea to zap the PRAM afterwards, maybe this can help too, especially if there is a SCSI accelerator card involved

John_Toolbox 12-21-2009 07:50 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Put the same external drive on the 733 or 1.25, and Sound Designer can't find the card.
I think that's your problem. There are probably hardware drivers needed by the G4's that aren't on that install. I would try a clean install of the OS, done from the G4, then install SDII on top of that.

Remember that the 1.25GHz mdd G4 will need the special version of OS9 caled OS9 general. It should be on one of the original apple install disks for that machine(gray disks).

DJTempo 12-21-2009 08:57 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Delta Music Belgium: I have a Catch-22 when trying to zap the PRAM on the 1.25 GHz G4... in order for the USB keyboard attached to my G4 to be recognized, the computer has to boot past the point where it will query the keyboard to find out what keys are being held down (command-option-P-R). Being that it's already past the point where it can acknowledge the keys being held down, it can't reset the PRAM. Is there a command that can be made while the CPU is already running to do a "hard-reset" on the PRAM? i.e. zap the PRAM even though the machine is already up and running?

DJTempo 12-21-2009 09:20 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
I don't mean to be whining here, but I am getting REALLY tired of working on this. I'd rather be doing music things. If the AM3 will run under Sound Designer on a dual 1.25 G4, it should be able to run on my single processor, right?

Belgium: I realize it might be a bit of trouble, but could you outline the specific hardware and extensions/control panels present in your dual G4 1.25 that's running Sound Designer? I assume it's SD 2.8.3, right?

Thanks (in advance?)

Chip

Delta Music Belgium 12-22-2009 06:00 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTempo (Post 1517764)
If the AM3 will run under Sound Designer on a dual 1.25 G4, it should be able to run on my single processor, right?

Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTempo (Post 1517764)
Belgium: I realize it might be a bit of trouble, but could you outline the specific hardware and extensions/control panels present in your dual G4 1.25 that's running Sound Designer? I assume it's SD 2.8.3, right?

For my Sound Designer II 2.8.3 (and PT 5.1.1 with Mix hardware) I have Mac OS N1 9.2.2 (it is a Dutch version), it comes from the original Mac OS X Panther DVD that came with the Mac (you can also use a Tiger installer DVD, it has the same version of OS 9.2.2 on it, btw, the International English version would be Mac OS Z1 9.2.2, but the language makes no difference)

A listing of extension will not help you, if your version of Mac OS 9.2.2 from the B/W G3 is outdated for the G4, you will need the original OS X and/or OS 9 installer that came with your G4 anyway + a list of extensions in Dutch wouldn't help you either I suppose...

But I can give you a list of Digidesign OS 9 Extensions/Control Panels that I use for SoundDesigner II 2.8.3:

Extensions:

Digidesign Direct I/O - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign DSP Manager - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign Stream Manager - v. 5.1.1
DigiSystem INIT - v. 5.1.1

Control Panels:

Digidesign - v. 5.1.1

DAE Folder:

DAE - v. 5.1.1cs1

As you can see it is the standard installation for PT 5.1.1 and this works perfect with SoundDesigner II 2.8.3 + the AudioMedia III card.

Some other tips:

- you can zap the PRAM by taking the 3.6V battery out of your Mac, wait a few minutes and put the battery back in place

- check in Apple System Profiler if it can see the AudioMedia III card, in my Mac it is shown as:

pci11af,ee40:

Type: Audio
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-3
Vendor ID: 0x11af
Device ID: 0xee40
Revision ID: 0x0011

If you can't see it, maybe your PCI slot(s) are broken or full of dust and need cleaning

I would also advice to do a clean installation of Mac OS 9.2.2 on the Internal HD of the G4 with the CD/DVD that came with your G4, then do a clean installation of Sound Designer II 2.8.3.
If you don't have a spare authorisation for Sound Designer II 2.3.8 on the G4 you can connect your SCSI drive with your original Sound Designer II 2.3.8 on it and launch this version. It should search for the authorisation on the SCSI drive, find it and launch without problems

DJTempo 12-22-2009 09:18 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
OK, got home tonight and pulled the PRAM battery, left it out for about an hour. Popped it back in and... still no dice.

Anyone else have any ideas? I'm gonna search eBay for a CD of OS 9.2.2. I've been installing 9, and doing upgrades from there.

Help???

Chip

milesofwire 12-22-2009 10:30 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
That may very well be your problem,
what you really need is the original system restore disk(s) for that model, don't buy a retail version of 9.2.2 it won't do you any good, you have a MDD 2003 right?

Delta Music Belgium 12-23-2009 04:47 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTempo (Post 1518494)
I'm gonna search eBay for a CD of OS 9.2.2. I've been installing 9, and doing upgrades from there.

Indeed, that may very well be your problem, OS 9.0 + the updaters to 9.2.2 will not work for a G4 for sure, they will work for PPC 9xxx and G3's only. Btw, if I remember well a OS 9.2.2 installer disk does not exist, the latest one was 9.1, then came the OS X installers with Mac OS 9.2.2 included.

As said many times before in this thread: you really need the original Mac OS installers for your G4. For a MDD 2003 (= the only model with a single 1.25 GHz CPU) the original installer DVD disks are grey and have OS X 10.2 + Mac OS 9.2.2 on it (or Mac OS X 10.3 + Mac OS 9.2.2, they came with the later G4 Models 2003 and they look alike, only the fine print on the DVD is different)

DJTempo 12-23-2009 06:06 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
OK, long night last night...

I took a Beige G3, and a Blue & White G3, put the AM3 and SCSI 3 cards into them, and hooked up the external drive with 9.2.2 on it, fired them up.

The thing that popped into my head was that as the extensions were loading (the little icons that you see appear along the bottom of the screen as they're found and loaded) is that there is that little "click" that you hear coming from the AM3 card when the Digisystem Init 2.8.3 is found. Sound Designer finds the AM3 card, and works perfectly.

Putting the AM3 card back in the 1.25, booting off the same external hard drive, as the drivers are loading, I don't hear the "click" over the speakers (had actually forgotten that would happen) and the card isn't found.

So... this is occurring before Sound Designer is even launched. I come to the conclusion that the AM3 card isn't seen by the 1.25 at all, but don't know what that means in the big picture. Maybe this actually has something to do with the "9.2.2 for the MDD" issue? 9.2.2 isn't finding the hardware present in the 1.25 cause it's not the right version?

Delta Music Belgium 12-23-2009 07:50 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
It is the DigiSystem INIT + DAE that detects the card. They come in pairs, so if you use DSI 3.4.2 you need DAE 3.4, if you use DSI 5.0 you need DAE 5.0.

DAE + DSI 3.4 will not work on a G4, that's for sure (see the link below), but DAE + DSI 5.0 should work on your G4. I use DAE + DSI 5.1.1 and this works like a charm, you could download DAE + DSI 5.1.1 here

Btw, did you check in Apple Hardware Setup if the AM III is present? It should show something like pci11af,ee40...

milesofwire 12-23-2009 07:25 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
This model G4 is listed as a supported computer
http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/os9/tb/g4agp.htm

I have the dual version of this same computer (Mix+ system) These actually came with an all on one DVD restore disk, (much more convenient) If you have a problem finding a set of restore disks (you probably will), post a contact email, and I should be able to help you out.
I'm certain this is your problem.

John_Toolbox 12-23-2009 07:31 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Yes, miles is right. You need to have the special version of OS9 that came on the restore disk(OS9 general). I think what's happening is the version you are booting from your SCSI disk isn't able to access all of your hardware properly(namely your pci slots).

I'm amazed you can even get it to boot, I could never even get an mdd to boot from any of my OS9 retail disks.

DJTempo 12-24-2009 06:07 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Delta Music Belgium: will ANY of the grey OS X/9.2 DVD installer discs work? Or will it have to be specifically for the 1.25 MDD G4?

John_Toolbox 12-24-2009 02:01 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTempo (Post 1519531)
Delta Music Belgium: will ANY of the grey OS X/9.2 DVD installer discs work? Or will it have to be specifically for the 1.25 MDD G4?

It needs to be from any of the mdd machines. The earliest one was the dual 867, the last one was the dual 1.25. All of these machines had something different in the motherboard that required this special version.

Here is a good reference of what these machines are and when then were made:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...wermac-g4.html

Note that the FW800 models were not bootable in OS9, so their restore disks did not include the Os9 general. FW800 models included a single 1.0GHz, a dual 1.25GHz, and a dual 1.42GHz. Confused yet?

DJTempo 12-24-2009 04:38 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
I don't know the details, but I acknowledge the reference to the FW800 vs. FW400 machines.

MilesOfWire: djtempo3345@gmail.com is my e-mail.

ANY help in finding the appropriate install/restore DVD will be SO appreciated. I nearly gave up on this project and was shopping for a 466MHz G3 (fastest G3?) as I can get SD and the AMIII card running on the G3 machines without a problem.

And as it is Christmas eve, I'll dispense with the political correctness and wish everyone a Merry Christmas. :-)

Chip

Delta Music Belgium 12-28-2009 02:07 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTempo (Post 1519531)
Delta Music Belgium: will ANY of the grey OS X/9.2 DVD installer discs work? Or will it have to be specifically for the 1.25 MDD G4?

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Toolbox (Post 1519849)
It needs to be from any of the mdd machines. The earliest one was the dual 867, the last one was the dual 1.25. All of these machines had something different in the motherboard that required this special version.

Here is a good reference of what these machines are and when then were made:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...wermac-g4.html

Note that the FW800 models were not bootable in OS9, so their restore disks did not include the Os9 general. FW800 models included a single 1.0GHz, a dual 1.25GHz, and a dual 1.42GHz. Confused yet?

I'm not sure this info is correct, I have a MDD and a MDD FW 800, both restore disks do have OS 9 on it. One has OS X 10.2.4, one has OS X 10.3, both have a separate 'Classic' OS 9 installer. It is intended for use as the 'Classic Environment' in OS X and this is a complete version of OS 9.2.2. With a MDD FW 800 you can't start in OS 9, that is correct, but you can install OS 9 and use it inside OS X.

So yes, any of the grey OS X + 9.2.2 DVD installer discs for G4 will work.

But beware, there are also grey installer disks for iMac's and PowerBooks, these will not work on a G4! (but 'iMac' or 'Powerbook' is written in large on the disk, even larger then 'PowerMac G4' is written on the disk you need)

John_Toolbox 12-28-2009 04:52 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium (Post 1521791)
I'm not sure this info is correct, I have a MDD and a MDD FW 800, both restore disks do have OS 9 on it. One has OS X 10.2.4, one has OS X 10.3, both have a separate 'Classic' OS 9 installer. It is intended for use as the 'Classic Environment' in OS X and this is a complete version of OS 9.2.2. With a MDD FW 800 you can't start in OS 9, that is correct, but you can install OS 9 and use it inside OS X.

So yes, any of the grey OS X + 9.2.2 DVD installer discs for G4 will work.

You're right. I totally forgot about "classic mode." I guess it's easy to forget something that is absolutely useless :D

DJTempo 01-09-2010 08:09 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
OK gang... I'm at the end of my rope.

I've spent the past few weeks trying to find a copy of the original install disc for my 1.25 MDD G4. This seemed to be the consensus as to why I can't get the Mac to see the AMII card.

I just finished installing the OS X and 9.2.2 combination, and booted into OS 9. Installed SD 2.8.3, then DSI 5.0, rebooted again, and was staring at the same frustrating Hardware Setup page that's been driving me nuts for months now.

I see:

-------------------------

Select Card Type:
AudioMedia
ST II, Bridge I/O
442 Card
Project, Disk I/O

Cards to use:
Card 1: (with a pulldown box around the word) None

-------------------------

I think what the machine is trying to tell me is that is just doesn't see the card. And I am stumped.

Anyone have any ideas?

Chip

Delta Music Belgium 01-09-2010 02:26 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
In Hardware Setup I can see exactly the same as you do, but for 'Card 1' I can choose 'Slot 3' (my AMIII is in slot 3).

Some questions:

- did you install DSI 5.0 and DAE 5.0? (not only the DSI)

- what happens if you put the card in a different PCI slot?

- I asked you this before, can you see the card with Apple System Profiler'? It should show something like this:

pci11af,ee40:

Type: Audio
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-3
Vendor ID: 0x11af
Device ID: 0xee40
Revision ID: 0x0011

If Apple System Profiler can't see the card, maybe your PCI slot(s) are broken or full of dust and need cleaning

I would start with checking with Apple System Profiler and try every PCI slot available if needed... If Apple System Profiler can see the card, the problem is not hardware but software (DAE/DSI combo and/or corrupt Preferences).

Can you confirm Apple System Profiler can see the card?

DJTempo 01-09-2010 08:41 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
In the system info, I have to assume this is the info for the AM3 card cause it doesn't actually identify it in a manner that says "hey... this is your AM3 card".

PCI Slot 3 >PCI Slot

Card type: not available
Card name: pci11af,ee40
Card model: -1
Card ROM number: not available
Card revision: 17
Card vendor ID: 11AF

I've tried a different slots at random, I'll have to try them all systematically (but not tonight). The other thing to mention, I put the card in a 733MHz G4, and had the same (lack of) results. (this to possilbly rule out a bad/dirty slot).

DJTempo 01-09-2010 08:46 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
DAE and DSI are both version 5.0.

Delta Music Belgium 01-10-2010 05:02 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
It seems to be your Mac does see the AM III, as I can see identical info: my Card name is also pci11af,ee40, my Card vendor is also 11AF, but the Card revision is not the same, I have 0011, you have 17, so I suppose your AMIII card is newer then mine.

I read in your previous post you first installed SD II 2.8.3, then DAE-DSI 5.0. I have never done that, I had PT 5.1.1 installed, I copied the SD II-application from another Mac (a 9600), launched it and it did work. So maybe you need to reinstall OS 9.2.2 (just to get rid of all Digidesign stuff), then install DAE + DSI 5.0 and then copy the SDII-application from another Mac (thus not installing it from the installer diks). Maybe this helps...

Anyway, I'm not sure it is enough to just install DAE + DSI 5.0, because I have installed:

Extensions:

Digidesign Direct I/O - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign DSP Manager - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign Stream Manager - v. 5.1.1
DigiSystem INIT - v. 5.1.1

Control Panels:

Digidesign - v. 5.1.1

DAE Folder:

DAE - v. 5.1.1cs1

Maybe you need one ore more of them (5.0 versions) + DAE/DSI 5.0 to get it to work

If you mail me privately (go to my web site for the address), I can try to send them to you...

DJTempo 01-13-2010 09:54 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
OK, to try and eliminate any variables, I went and purchased another AMIII card (off eBay). Seems to be the same card, shows up in the System Info on the Mac identically, and is not seen by my copy of Sound Designer 2.8.3. Same problem as before.

Ho hum.

My question to anyone who might be reading this sorry thread: has anyone out there ever used SD 2.8.3 with an AMIII card on a B&W G4? Getting down to the basics, but seemed like an appropriate question to ask.

Chip

Delta Music Belgium 01-14-2010 05:07 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
I have never personally seen a B&W G4 with SD 2.8.3 and a AMIII, but I have it working on a MDD G4 Dual 1.25 GHz, this is the same machine as your G4 1.25 GHz Single Processor and these machines are much more recent then a B&W G4. So I suppose it should work on an older B&W G4 too (a B&W G4 has 733 MHz max.)

Anyway, did you see the SD II Support pages on http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?...1&queryString= ?

There you can read this:

Can't select a Peripheral in Sound Designer II Hardware Setup window
  • Corrupted DigiSetup file. (Quit SDII and delete the DigiSetup file from the System Folder. Restart Mac, boot SDII and open Hardware Setup to select peripheral.)
  • Multiple DigiSystem INITs in the System Folder.
Btw, did you already try to use DAE & DSI 5.1 or higher on you MDD G4? I use DAE & DSI 5.1.1 and it really does work with SD II 2.8.3 (you can downlaod them at http://archive.digidesign.com/download/daedsi/ )

If you have a B&W G4 with PCI graphics, you can read on that same download page:
  • DSI 5.0.1cs4 Update (For Macintosh)
    Fixes for Pro Tools TDM or LE Systems Using 'Blue & White' G3 or G4 w/PCI graphics (only for these systems)

FWIW, I still think for both your B&W G4 and MDD G4 it is a software problem and not a hardware problem...

DJTempo 01-21-2010 04:21 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Well gang... I had to get something running for all this back-and-forth and buying new CPU's and new AM3 cards, and all this... and I finally have a 450MHz Blue & White G3 running Sound Designer 2.8.3.

I seem to have no trouble on G3's or earlier, G4's and I have the aforementioned problem.

I do not know what to do with the 1.25 GHz G4.

The G3 needed DSI 5.0. I started with 3.4.2 and SD started saying "you need proper Digidesign hardware...".

I have an Atto SCSI-3 card, AND a 150GB FIREWIRE (?!!!) drive hooked up, and they both behave normally under SD 2.8.3.

I'm tempted to do a little tinkering, trying to record to the Firewire drive to see if it actually works. (I can see it on the desktop, but only got so far as to play a couple songs with SD before I had to give up for the evening).

I'm going to go over all these posts with a fine toothed comb, and might try the 1.25 again if I derive anything I hadn't already tried.

In the end... THANK YOU to those who tried to help out.

Chip

DJTempo 01-22-2010 06:29 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Whelp, taking a hint from the last post, I went and found DAE/DSI 5.1.1. Installed, rebooted... and it's working. I hadn't tried anything higher than 5.0 because they stopped mentioning the AM3 and/or SD in the descriptions. All the descriptions look like they work with ProTools. I think I hadn't gone any higher than 5.0 before.

So, now... I have about 3 months worth of audio projects to catch up on.

While I'm at it, does anyone know of a faster machine (than the 1.25) that will still run SD using the AM3 card?

milesofwire 01-22-2010 07:39 PM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
I knew that was it.

You have the fastest processor that was ever ment to run OS9, a dual won't have any effect since 9 only will use only one.

Delta Music Belgium 01-23-2010 05:44 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTempo (Post 1538963)
Whelp, taking a hint from the last post, I went and found DAE/DSI 5.1.1. Installed, rebooted... and it's working. I hadn't tried anything higher than 5.0 because they stopped mentioning the AM3 and/or SD in the descriptions. All the descriptions look like they work with ProTools. I think I hadn't gone any higher than 5.0 before.

So, now... I have about 3 months worth of audio projects to catch up on.

While I'm at it, does anyone know of a faster machine (than the 1.25) that will still run SD using the AM3 card?


In post 8 of this thread I wrote ( more then a month ago):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium (Post 1516067)
- with OS 9.2.2 (and the Expansion Chassis with Mix hardware is switched off), I use Sounddesigner 2.8.3 with AudioMedia III, it works like a charm (using the same DAE 5.1.1 + DSI 5.1)


In post 14 of this thread I wrote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium (Post 1516067)
But I can give you a list of Digidesign OS 9 Extensions/Control Panels that I use for SoundDesigner II 2.8.3:

Extensions:

Digidesign Direct I/O - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign DSP Manager - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign Stream Manager - v. 5.1.1
DigiSystem INIT - v. 5.1.1

Control Panels:

Digidesign - v. 5.1.1

DAE Folder:

DAE - v. 5.1.1cs1

As you can see it is the standard installation for PT 5.1.1 and this works perfect with SoundDesigner II 2.8.3 + the AudioMedia III card.


In post 19 of this thread I wrote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium (Post 1516067)
I use DAE + DSI 5.1.1 and this works like a charm, you could download DAE + DSI 5.1.1 here


In post 31 of this thread I wrote (I even offered to send you DAE + DSI 5.1.1):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium (Post 1516067)
Anyway, I'm not sure it is enough to just install DAE + DSI 5.0, because I have installed:

Extensions:

Digidesign Direct I/O - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign DSP Manager - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign Stream Manager - v. 5.1.1
DigiSystem INIT - v. 5.1.1

Control Panels:

Digidesign - v. 5.1.1

DAE Folder:

DAE - v. 5.1.1cs1

Maybe you need one ore more of them (5.0 versions) + DAE/DSI 5.0 to get it to work

If you mail me privately (go to my web site for the address), I can try to send them to you...


In post 33 of this thread I wrote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium (Post 1516067)

Btw, did you already try to use DAE & DSI 5.1 or higher on you MDD G4? I use DAE & DSI 5.1.1 and it really does work with SD II 2.8.3 (you can downlaod them at http://archive.digidesign.com/download/daedsi/ )


But for some strange reason you never wanted to listen to me... :(


But now I'm happy you finally took up my word and installed DAE & DSI 5.1.1! So all the time I did spend here trying to help you out wasn't wasted (sometimes I felt quite frustrated)

Btw, I'm a Pro Tools Support Engineer since 1995 and I installed and supported hundreds of Pro Tools rigs, starting from Nubus until today, including lots of G3's and G4's (with or without SD II). I also used and owned all of these systems myself, even until today I have a 9600, a 9600 with G3 CPU upgrade, a G4 Dual 1.25, a G4 Dual 1.25 FW800 and a G5 Dual 2.0, all of them running some type of Digidesign soft & hardware.

Anyway, I wish you all the best with SD II 2.8.3, IMHO the best 2-track editor ever made!

Delta Music Belgium 01-23-2010 05:49 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by milesofwire (Post 1539412)
I knew that was it.

You have the fastest processor that was ever ment to run OS9, a dual won't have any effect since 9 only will use only one.

Maybe you knew it, but you never spoke about DAE & DSI 5.1.1 in this thread ;)

Btw, OS 9 can use a G4 dual processor without a problem, fe. Altivec compatible software such as Photoshop or Logic Audio 4.x.

The point is Digidesign software has a problem with dual processors on OS 9, for a Dual G4 + OS 9.2.2 you need to install the extension 'ApplePCI', this extension in fact disables the 2nd processor.

So, DJTempo, for SD II there is no need to go to a Dual G4 indeed...

milesofwire 01-23-2010 06:06 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
I mentioned it in my emails to the OP, I have done alot of work for this guy to get this working outside of this thread, you don't have be rude a jump to conclusions.

Delta Music Belgium 01-23-2010 09:11 AM

Re: Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by milesofwire (Post 1539556)
I mentioned it in my emails to the OP, I have done alot of work for this guy to get this working outside of this thread, you don't have be rude a jump to conclusions.

I'm not rude at all, based on this thread my conclusions (if any, I use the word 'maybe' in my sentence) are correct, you never talked about the DAE/DSI issue, I can't know you did some helping behind the scene...

But I can conclude out of this DJTempo didn't want to listen to you either :-)

Btw, there is a ;) behind the sentence in my previous mail, I don't think that's being rude, I think that's being plain friendly :-)

Anyway, I didn't want to be rude in any way, I'm sorry you see it that way...


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