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filosofem 11-12-2010 09:18 AM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
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Originally Posted by midnightrambler (Post 1701106)
Yes I suppose that's what I was getting at, that and the sense that you're definitely using HD, not LE.

HD Native is not limited like Pro Tools 9 open. (PTO).

CCash 11-12-2010 09:46 AM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
Tom,

Aside from the gain-staging issues you talk about, could you explain how even just an HD1 could be less powerful than PT Native? With an HD system, can't you use all the native capability of the computer for RTAS, plus the DSP on the HD card? Then you have the advantage of not having to mess with buffer settings when tracking, and you can use TDM plugs IF you need to. I'm missing something for sure.

Thanks!

crizdee 11-12-2010 10:00 AM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CCash (Post 1701146)
Tom,

Aside from the gain-staging issues you talk about, could you explain how even just an HD1 could be less powerful than PT Native? With an HD system, can't you use all the native capability of the computer for RTAS, plus the DSP on the HD card? Then you have the advantage of not having to mess with buffer settings when tracking, and you can use TDM plugs IF you need to. I'm missing something for sure.

Thanks!

Hi,

Running pt9 with a HD1 will only give you 96 tracks. the HD1 core card on its own is quite restricted in tracks and voice counts, especially at 96k.

Running PT 9 HD native will give you 192 tracks and max voices.


chris

Mark Ziebarth 11-12-2010 01:25 PM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crizdee (Post 1701164)
Hi,

Running pt9 with a HD1 will only give you 96 tracks. the HD1 core card on its own is quite restricted in tracks and voice counts, especially at 96k.

Running PT 9 HD native will give you 192 tracks and max voices.


chris

You're right, Chris. After all the changes that happened the last few weeks I guess the voice limit of a HD1 is artificial. Or is there a hardware limit I don't know about?

Mark

filosofem 11-12-2010 02:05 PM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Ziebarth (Post 1701321)
After all the changes that happened the last few weeks I guess the voice limit of a HD1 is artificial. Or is there a hardware limit I don't know about?

It's a limitation that a company has to grow.

Tom Hartman 11-12-2010 03:17 PM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by midnightrambler (Post 1700975)
Yes, interesting review, thanks.

Is Omni HD true HD though.....? I still can't help but think it's a souped up 001.

Best think again. True as it gets. Been the 002, 003 route, different universe. Huge gorgeous sound.

Tom Hartman 11-12-2010 03:23 PM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CCash (Post 1701146)
Tom,

Aside from the gain-staging issues you talk about, could you explain how even just an HD1 could be less powerful than PT Native? With an HD system, can't you use all the native capability of the computer for RTAS, plus the DSP on the HD card? Then you have the advantage of not having to mess with buffer settings when tracking, and you can use TDM plugs IF you need to. I'm missing something for sure.

Thanks!

Sounds great but in practice it's easily as much of a pain as taking under 6 seconds to change a buffer. Dealing with RTAS stealing voices, and watching something like ELEVEN TDM eat up a whole chip is not fun. Not to mention TDM plugs eating up your wallet. TDM is the gift that keeps on taking lol...

TDM is great when you have a load of cash and have 3 cards, if you don't have that, not so much fun when doing music with a lot going on.

blastula 11-12-2010 03:59 PM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
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Originally Posted by Tom Hartman (Post 1700390)
Well in HD TDM yes it's a whole different animal with levels. Try playing back a native session on HD TDM and most of the time your levels will be through the roof because you just don't have to worry with them as much out of TDM land.
TH

I'd like to understand this, but i don't.
Why do you have to worry about levels more in TDM land?
Is this common knowledge?

Thanks...

Tom Hartman 11-12-2010 04:45 PM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blastula (Post 1701433)
I'd like to understand this, but i don't.
Why do you have to worry about levels more in TDM land?
Is this common knowledge?

Thanks...

Yes common knowledge.

Here's one article that discusses it. In practice, TDM is much more sensitive re headroom. People that use TDM have gotten used to very good gain staging practices, which is a good thing actually.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun1...es/pt_0610.htm

gearjunkie 11-12-2010 06:29 PM

Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review
 
Thanks for the review Tom! I have been waiting to see how this system performs.

I am currently using Pro Tools 9/Apogee Symphony/Rosetta 800 with a 12 core Mac and am getting similar performance from the tests I have run so far. Only issue is if I ever need direct monitoring I don't have the option to date in PT9.

I need to run Logic 9 as well. Have you tried the new card with other software using the new Core Audio Driver for PT Native?


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