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EvilElfBoy 08-23-2009 04:09 PM

Is yellow the new red?
 
So I was looking through the manual for PT 8 and I came across this.

On audio tracks, level meters indicate the level
of the signal being recorded or played back from
the hard drive. On Auxiliary Input, Master
Fader, and Instrument tracks, level meters indi-
cate the level of the signal being played through
the channel output. Green indicates nominal
levels; Yellow indicates pre-clipping (–6dB be-
low full scale); and Red indicates clipping.


Do we feel as a collective that is correct information? IMOHO I don't think that -6db below full scale should be considered "pre-clipping" Anyone else agree?
:confused:

guitar486 08-23-2009 04:30 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
I've treated yellow as red for a long time now and I feel like it's greatly improved my recordings. It's not a hard and fast rule but in general I'd say it's best practice.

PhilBuckle 08-23-2009 05:05 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
Ever since I read Paul Frindle's comments on keeping signals around -6 I have employed that method.
Made an incredible difference to my mixing results.
So yes, yellow is the new red for me.

EvilElfBoy 08-23-2009 05:18 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilBuckle (Post 1446471)
Ever since I read Paul Frindle's comments on keeping signals around -6 I have employed that method.
Made an incredible difference to my mixing results.
So yes, yellow is the new red for me.

I have been following that method for a long time as well, but should it be referred to as "pre-clipping'?

Drew Mazurek 08-23-2009 06:12 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
Well, it is isn't it?

Not a bad way to teach people IMO these days.

EvilElfBoy 08-23-2009 06:32 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
I agree, I just have some conflicts of opinion from some colleagues are far as the metering is concerned. I find this to fall into the category of Intersample Peaks.

It's pretty interesting that the nomenclature is changing. :D

Extreme Mixing 08-23-2009 06:49 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
I say record lower, mix lower. Let the mastering engineer screw it up.

Steve

Mark Dann 08-23-2009 07:54 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
I stay well below -10db myself. Depending on calibration, PT's 0dB is 14 to 18dB above 0dB on an analog meter. -6dB is not enough, not even close. Unless you don't care about overloading both your analog front end, as well as every plugin and buss that comes after it.

I don't consider yellow to be pre-clipping, I consider it already clipping. Not PT at that specific point, but the audio path before it, and especially after it. With the ability to do tons of makeup gain downstream, there's no reason whatsoever to push it at the individual track level. Especially when there are often so many tracks in many productions (this effect is extremely cumulative). On an analog meter, PT's -6dB is slammed against the top. Pegged. Tilt. Game over.

WernerF 08-23-2009 08:06 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
What do your ears tell you?

elicious 08-23-2009 08:13 PM

Re: Is yellow the new red?
 
second that, mark.
here, we run our levels out of the console as if it were still hooked up to the studer.
we end up with levels usually barely into the yellow or, depending on the transient nature of the signal, sometimes only green...

this is where i think many make a fundamental error;
concerned about what's coming in pt
rather than what their output device is sending.

most of the trax we get to fix and mix from other studios have driven their early stages too hard
and we don't have that anti-overdrive plug.

e


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