Avid's Series of Unfortunate Events
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A PDF is attached for easier reading Avid’s Series of Unfortunate Eventsor I suggest reducing the width of your browser. firefox reader mode: copy & paste: about:reader?url=http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=384786 Any errors PM me so I can update, don't post. Thank you for your time! Avid has made some poor decisions throughout the 8.x to 12.x transition. Some in haste, selfishness and some in panic. I sympathize with companies in this new software climate. I truly do. I know most of us enjoy editing, mixing and creating in Pro Tools. And many of us feel we have invested time and money into Pro Tools. But we don’t have the influence or control other users have over their DAWs. Should we? I truly don’t know. But I know a company who listens to its users is often regarded as a great company. We’ve received features like “Track Freeze” that are sometimes great implementations but are so late to the field we don’t appreciate them as much as we should, even though we paid for them. We need to somehow gain control of this software we so dearly depend on. I have defended Avid at other moments — today is not that sort of moment. I waited quite a while to transition from 8.x to 12.x. I had massive reservations. I made my upgrade exactly a year ago — 10.02.2015. My $99.00 renewal fee is ready to be purchased. And again, I have massive reservations. I despise this new model. I despise it on a logical, mathematical and financial bases. Because it forces people to play Double Dutch. One ends up obsessing about how to purchase software at the right moment. One ends up obsessing about maximizing their own “renewal-to-feature ratio”. It sucks. How does one recuperate losses if they happened to be the poor idiot who purchased between the same renewal period as me? How can we as users enforce a truly qualified and quantifiable worth of this software and its features? So many boring questions one should never have to ask when buying a “professional product”. The reason why I pose the above is because in my renewal period there was a loss. A loss that many others have suffered and will receive no guarantee of recuperation of time, features, functionality or money. We’ve just lost — so many headaches with 12.5.0, 12.5.1, 12.5.2. Some will argue that Avid does not guarantee “functionality”, “bug-freeness”, “renewal satisfaction”, “features in other DAWs” — etc. I say, then what the hell are we paying for ever year? Are we paying for new features that destroy basic functionality? Are we paying for “support” that most professionals may never use? Are they going to extend out renewal periods for users when they release flawed code, when they are at fault, when it is blatantly obvious their “product” does not work for its advertised purpose? So many unanswered questions. The Fundamental Flaws In The Current Model A few statements I must make:
my_renewal != your_renewal Confusing by design. A. Details:
Avid’s Failures/Bugs cost users money and time. A.K.A. - Avid does not provide bug-fixes to users that haven’t renewed their “support plan” or “active update plan”. A. Details:
CPUs/Hardware are less of the DSP/Latency bottlenecks they once were and HD will probably die. HD users will be hurt if not already wounded. A. Details:
Vanilla users are becoming used to HD features trickling down. HD users are disenfranchised by HD features trickling down. A. Details:
Missing a renewal is purposefully financially detrimental. A. Details:
There isn’t a properly written or implemented grace period for renewals. A. Details:
There isn’t a “Written Guarantee” that an Avid failure within a renewal period will result in a financial recuperation or renewal extension for a user. A. Details:
“New Features” are destroying or hurting historical workflows. A. Details:
No public Alphas, Betas or Release Candidates. A. Details:
I recognize historically companies such as Avid are afraid to give such direction and power to its users. But this fear must die. It must die, because we aren’t gnats that annoy Avid — we are INFORMED PRODUCT SPECIALISTS that pay, help, drive and support Avid. And we must have some FIRM requirements to continue to do so. — C Revision: 00 SOME LINKS: Pro Tools Expert http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home...t-of-bug-fixes http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home...ll-have-issues http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home...f-pro-tools-12 http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home...party-plug-ins http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home...party-plug-ins http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home...ptions-are-bad DUC Forum http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=381717 - Click II Work-arounds. http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=379480 - -9173 Error/Issues. http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=384641 http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=384766 http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=384591 - Fine breakpoint adjustments in 12.6. http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=384812 - Advice on a stable version of 12 to use. http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=384719 - 12.6 MIDI Latency. http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=384918 - 12.6 Bug List Thread. http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=359634 - Mono Bus Highlighting Bug (2+ years old) http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=384964 - Mono Bus Highlighting Bug Still Exist 12.0 AVID LISTENING: http://duc.avid.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=133 |
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And it was $300-- I think you are confused, $99.00 is Vanilla's renewal cost etc. |
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I'm with you. I feel like everyone with an active support plan should be offered a free 6-month extension. 12.5 is a no-go for me and apparently many others (can you say -9179?). Haven't tried 12.6 yet since I'm at the tail end of an album project which I don't want to disrupt. I wish Avid was proactive and helpful to its customers, especially when it comes to rectifying their mistakes.
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Thanks though. Have seen 9171 errors here before aswell but 9179 erros, never seen that. I think he meant 9173 error .. |
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I did correct it to 9173, post and pdf. I see it was moved from Pro Tools 12 Discussion. I do believe it maybe belongs there because the crux of the issues are 12 related either way I hope it makes sense. |
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Yes, it was a typo. :-) -9173 engine stops are what I was referring to.
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I agree that 9173 errors are a real pain and have a hard time understanding why it is soo hard to sort out really :o |
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the renewals and subscription model and the lack of truly public testing is the main reason these bugs and "corner cases" crop up. And Avid then releases, then failures, then rollbacks... And the cycle continues with no true ramifications, recuperation for money already spent. |
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