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deanrichard 02-09-2015 02:36 PM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
In the ones I've used, you can. PT is not alone in that feature, and I suspect that it's possible in most.

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Originally Posted by Drew Mazurek (Post 2230764)
You can't move tracks around in other DAWs???


deanrichard 02-09-2015 02:47 PM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
I know my experience doesn't mirror most, but I get nervous and twitchy and a little bit sick reading a document like that. I spent many years in the corporate world where the mindset was always about stock price and quarterly results. I left it behind.

Mine is a naïve attitude, I'm aware, but it pains me to know the tool I use to create music is being controlled by people whose mindset is strictly to please stockholders and make profit.




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Originally Posted by Bill Denton (Post 2230834)

Very little directed to users, most all directed to stockholders. You'll be disappointed with the focus on investment and not users.

Do you suppose that's possibly why those talks are on the Investor Relations page?

Please tell me it's just "a momentary lapse of reason", and that you aren't really that clueless about how large corporations work and do business...

By and large, the people who invest in Avid stock probably haven't the slightest idea even what products Avid makes, and they really don't care! Oh, sure, a lot of the investors will tell you that Avid owns the Internet or it's the place where that Michael Jackson person works...you might even find quite a few who know they're a "media-oriented company". But were you to mention "Pro Tools" to one of them they would probably thank you profusely for reminding them about "Pro Tools" because they had promised to pick up some for their wife at Williams-Sonoma (they sell very high end cookware).

Louis Hernandez and his team actually are doing a pretty decent job of running Avid, despite the claims of too many of the no-nothings on this board. And since Pro Tools is one of Avid's "flagship" products, its logo might get 15 seconds in a PowerPoint compared to the 5 seconds allotted to lesser products. But if you're expecting Louis Hernandez to wax profoundly on the latest features to be added to Pro Tools, forget it...I seriously doubt he could even open the product and record one track even if everything was all set up for him.

If you really want to delve into some of this stuff, look at something important, like this...

http://files.shareholder.com/downloa...PR_-_FINAL.pdf

While it's not exactly GM or Ford numbers, three-month revenue of $142,000,000.00 US ain't exactly chicken feed. And guess what, the "mighty" Pro Tools got mentioned exactly once in that report...in the copyright acknowledgements...in type so small no one over the age of 25 can read it.

Corporate business is a whole different world...and too many here who, at best, run a small commercial studio, seem to think they're experts on the subject...


Bob Olhsson 02-09-2015 03:01 PM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
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Originally Posted by deanrichard (Post 2230904)
Mine is a naïve attitude, I'm aware, but it pains me to know the tool I use to create music is being controlled by people whose mindset is strictly to please stockholders and make profit.

They need that mindset for the moment because they lost money big-time for over a decade. I'd agree with you if it were a company that had always been wildly profitable but unfortunately they aren't.

Panacci 02-09-2015 03:53 PM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
I use DP8 and PT11 in my small studio. I love having both. Certain things I love working in PT and certain things I love in DP. If I have to stay with DP at sometime I would be fine. Hope they will figure this thing works it self out. Again ,tired of giving money away when I do not have to.

A1 02-09-2015 04:29 PM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
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Originally Posted by deanrichard (Post 2230904)
...Mine is a naïve attitude, I'm aware, but it pains me to know the tool I use to create music is being controlled by people whose mindset is strictly to please stockholders and make profit.

Without those stockholders or investors your artistic creation tools wouldn't exist... be it PT or any other DAW. Furthermore, there are a lot of artists involved in developing these tools.

AndrewAction 02-09-2015 05:15 PM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
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Originally Posted by A1 (Post 2230933)
Without those stockholders or investors your artistic creation tools wouldn't exist

Maybe! Had it not been for the original creators and customers who believed and invested in the companies hardware and software for decades there would have been nothing for the "stockholders and investors" to invest in.
The Company needs both to exist and therefore needs to arrive at a balance that fits the present and future needs of both.

Andrew

capt kirk 02-09-2015 08:56 PM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
its all really a macro economic issue , not specific to Avid. i've seen it happen in a lot of industries that are going thru periods of change. the deflationary effects of computers are hard to overcome. when even the simplest program now does more than 95% of potential customers will EVER need, can you see why the continuation of 'featuritis' is pointless? do you see why apple totally destroyed FCP? these guys are all struggling to devise a model which will keep the company liquid and able to satisfy the shareholders, while offering something at a price to keep the lights on.......my biggest fear is they try what apple did, and destroy it to the ground, to try and rebuild it , re-selling it all the way...they don't have the money, but boy would that be the end........why doesnt a group of the managers just buy out the protools side , and run it private boutique style? ummm cause they'd be broke in a year, thats why...:(

paul007 02-10-2015 12:15 AM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
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Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson (Post 2230909)
They need that mindset for the moment because they lost money big-time for over a decade. I'd agree with you if it were a company that had always been wildly profitable but unfortunately they aren't.


The whole world lost big money over the last decade.
Trying to solve that with a megalomanic plan sounding good to stockholders won't solve it.

In the end you're dealing with a product that needs to be sold to customers to get any market share.

Overlooking this simple fact, and the focus on pleasing stockholders, has *caused* most the loss of money anywhere over the past decade.

Bob Olhsson 02-10-2015 09:27 AM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
I totally agree that the system is corrupt to the core and destabilizing the entire world. It's also the ocean we are all swimming in, like it or not. Myself, I'm really glad Avid still owns Pro Tools and it hasn't been acquired by a post or broadcast specialist with Pro Tools vanilla being completely abandoned. More market share at Guitar Center doesn't really mean much to a company that owns the post, live sound, video production cloud and large format console markets.

The thing is, all Avid has really done with "Everywhere" is rebrand what they are already successful at with a huge market share in the video and broadcast world. Now they are expanding it to audio. In a lot of ways this is smoke and mirrors that didn't require additional investment. It also doesn't really impact many pro tools users. They are also talking about this marketplace concept which I am very skeptical of but again I don't see where that takes anything away from Pro Tools.

They are moving to a subscription model because that's what their corporate customers want both for themselves and to have a ready supply of employees who know Pro Tools. For Pro Tools HD they are now requiring all users to be on the very same support plan their corporate users have been using for years. The cost is no more than what their competition in the corporate sector charge for upgrades and support plans.

It comes down to is Avid now being greedy or were they being too generous to non-corporate users in the past? I fear there is a pretty good case to be made for the latter when you look at everything Avid does and what they have been most successful at.

lexaudio 02-10-2015 09:41 AM

Re: Pro Tools 12 — I don't care about the release date, because...
 
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Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson (Post 2231072)
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They are moving to a subscription model because that's what their corporate customers want both for themselves and to have a ready supply of employees who know Pro Tools. For Pro Tools HD they are now requiring all users to be on the very same support plan their corporate users have been using for years. The cost is no more than what their competition in the corporate sector charge for upgrades and support plans.

It comes down to is Avid now being greedy or were they being too generous to non-corporate users in the past? I fear there is a pretty good case to be made for the latter when you look at everything Avid does and what they have been most successful at.

I'm not sure where you are getting "corporate customers" want a subscription model. And that certainly isn't what I am hearing around town.
The exact opposite in fact.

The big post places here don't get "support plans" for Pro Tools, as they have staff that deals with issues.
I've never seen an engineer get on the phone with AVID, other than to tell them about bugs.

At the very best, there is only one version of Pro Tools a year in the big Post places. There just isn't enough time to update hundreds of systems on a weekly, or monthly basis and there isn't time to test.

Down time is costly. And I've seen them revert back a version as well. Moving forward at snails pace is how it is going to be, so the need for "constant updates" is not something anyone in a deadline, time critical business is going to want or need.

As well, PT 12 offers nothing the Post community needs.
PT 11 is still in testing.
PT 10.3.8 is the version stuck in time right now.

I certainly hope AVID has a back of plan for this because it is going to back fire on them.


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