Avid S1 & S4
...have been announced. They fill clear and obvious holes in the control surface line-up. And it demonstrates continued commitment to EuCon.
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My first dumb thought was are we finally getting eq curves on the Control App? (You know the thing that was shown on the Dock product pages for marketing at the beginning and never materialized. Hopefully marketing isn’t doing the same stupid thing again)
Also hope automation match indicators come to the Control app for those channel strips shown on the S1. Part of me wonders if the S3 fits in now. Also like the new S4 MTM (looks better than the S6 with displaying the 7.1.2 panners in the main area.) Also the tilt up knob unit (which I saw Jeff do on the S6 but haven’t seen the means to do built-in for our S6s) Interestingly, looks like the process units won’t be available for the S4 according to Westlake but all other modules will. Seems a strange oversight. I wonder if the S6 M10 config is dead now (and to some extent the S3). |
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According to PTE the S1 price will be comparable to the Artist Mix ($1k) and the S4 will be $25k-ish.
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From a sound editor's POV my questions are:
Are there automation control buttons on the S1? (preview, write etc.) any other hotkeys? The dock eats up too much space for my taste. In an ideal world I wish the elgato streamdeck could support Eucon or (vice versa?) plus 2 S1 and I'm set. The size of the S1 is great, I hope it's possible to optionally remove the iPad holder if you prefer to have the ipad lying flat in front of it instead for easier access to soft-keys without stretching out your arm. F. |
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Prices of the S4 was higher than I guessed ...
https://www.sweetwater.com/shop/new-...e-controllers/ |
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I love the Dock because it's so small I can travel with it and set it up anywhere. A Dock and an S1 in a flight case would be a great combo. But to your point, you can use PT|Control on an iPad w/o the Dock and the soft key section on the iPad would be very similar to the Elgato. There are a lot of little iPad stands for doing that. |
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How on earth can a “budget s6” cost more than a s6 m10-8-5?
For the cheaper s3 style faders 10-15k would have been a more sensible starting point. Edit: S4 8 fader: 24000 S6 8 fader: 22000 S4 16 fader: 38000 S6 16 fader: 41000 S4 24 fader: 53000 S6 24 fader: 57000 They are FAR too close together in price to be marketed for smaller studios, you’re better off spending more on the s6, because of the way better faders. |
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I look all that unused "grey matter" on the dock and the massive jog wheel that I don't use and then at the streamdeck with 32 keys on endless levels and tactile feedback and it sits next to my keyboard at about half the size and cost of an iPad mini and say to myself: if it could only understand Eucon, there'd be room for even a third S1 with better ergononics. Looking at the buttons of the S1 it seems like it's exactlly an Artist Mix with the buttons moved above the faders and slimmed down, which is great. There was a lot of unused space on the Mix and the Control. But for quick editing the hotkeys need to be close to where the hands are. A Streamdeck with Eucon would be killer, I could put 3 S1 where there used to be a Mix and a Control and still have as many hotkeys I want and I can place them where ever I want. Finder shortcuts, Keyboard Maestro custom macros and Eucon all on the same controller auto switching to your custom key maps when you switch to a different application. F. |
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I’m sure Avid has done its market research and produced something leasing companies will happily fund. That said, I can’t help thinking the S4 should have been something entirely different. Something that people would actually buy in the £10/15K range that also serves as a replacement for the sadly missed C24.
As for the S1. Why isn’t it also an S3 fader expander? Duh! |
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Strictly from a price/power ratio, I'm very happy with S3/Dock in my personal studio. When I work at bigger studios with bigger hardware, it's great, but not always necessary.
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Can I use two S1 together?
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Couldn't even get their own website right on the day of both being announce. |
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I guess I'm not the only one that expected something between S3 and S6, not a reworked cheaper S6. S1 is a winner if it's not too expensive. But going by the S3 price they'll have it at $3k. |
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S1 is $1,200. Avid said so somewhere.
what I want to know is on the S1... are there (one handed) automation mode switching buttons? to go to touch / latch / trim / etc. (?) |
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I don't see dedicated mode switches like on the Dock or master section of the bigger boards, but EuCon is highly programmable. There's a way... |
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Compared to the s6, the alps faders feel like plastic toys. The S1 will have the same faders as the 20x more expensive S4. Making the S1 the real winner of the day. |
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I got some hands on time with these in Nashville.
S1 does not have automation buttons and the “dock” portion that holds an iPad is permanent. So it’s depth is quite a bit deeper than an Artist which is unfortunate. S4 looks great, biggest issue I see with it is the faders are about the same quality as an S3. To achieve the same quality feel as a d command or d control you still need to move to an S6, which is a shame since I see the S4 as the D Command replacement. The new version of the Avid ios control app was alpha software so very buggy but it looked cool. Apparently the meter mode works because it detects you have the appropriate control surface, so that functionality is not backwards compatible with the artist series. |
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Thanks Max - great info.
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Making the S4 now the cheapest option, only big no-go is the cheap faders. As soon as the stock of M10's dries out, the only option for customers in search of high quality faders is the M40. A huge blow for anyone in post, who wants the best possible faders to ride all day but isn't interested in the displays etc.. Eddie said somewhere else, that "most people think the S3 faders are great".. A statement I find hard to believe. I wonder how many S6 users they questioned. Compared to the S6 and ICON faders, the ALPS faders are toys. To give you an idea: A replacement S3 fader costs 35 euro A replacement S6 fader costs 125 euro |
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Anyone know if an S1 can be integrated in with an S3 for 24 faders?
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does anyone know if there is a 'clutch' button on the s1 to make the faders dead, so when i'm moving around in ProTools (and not using the faders for some time) i dont have to listen to them clanking up and down... ?
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Are there any hints that a S1 would not coexist with a MC Transport?
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I think the really exciting bit of this release is, it looks like you can have 2 or more Ipads with different screens open, or at least that's what I'm hoping.
So you could have one as a dedicated panner and one on the shortcuts page etc etc. Fingers crossed. |
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