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beggehorn
04-14-2002, 01:44 PM
I had a chance to sit down last night and A/B some different plugin verbs with an H3000. The plugs I compared were D-Verb, Waves Ren Reverb, True Verb and one other I can't recall. D-Verb (the only one I own personally of the above list) has never made me happy. Ever notice how it makes things sound small and thin? Awful and easily the worst by comparison. By far the winning plug was the Waves Ren Reverberator. Very smooth and very cool parameters: EQ and damping, early reflection control with ability to have a negative time value which puts the reverberation before the "not-so-early" reflections. Most of all the sound was rich and full, made the source sound bigger and fuller (as it should). I had a hard time choosing between the Eventide box and the Waves plug. Without really using them for a while it would be hard to choose a favorite between the two. Of course the H3000 has a stack of other algorithms to boot. Its cool to have plugs for session recall and multiple instances but outboard won't require upgrades to be compatible with whatever version of DAW you might be using down the line! Tough call. . .

Hardnox
04-14-2002, 03:35 PM
If you buy another Mix Farm, all you plugs will benefit from the extra DSP, not just Reverb. What about Reverb One?

Peter Duemmler
04-14-2002, 03:58 PM
I just love D-Verb for the nonlinear patch (for drums mainly).
I often donīt turn on my R880 because D-Verb is much easier to use.

Peter

emilano
04-14-2002, 05:11 PM
I also like the D-verb for specific uses. Its hall setting sounds very nice on acoustic guitar with a little tweaking.

gavinchan
04-14-2002, 05:38 PM
A little off the topic, but I just wanted to add how happy I am with the KORG Oasys Reverbs. When I bought it, I was thinking 'yeah, it will be great for all my synth sounds, quality of effects might be questionable.' Now I use it all the time. The other verbs I have are D-Verb/ Waves RVerb and TrueVerb, and I don't hardly touch them anymore. Korg Oasys sooooo rocks. images/icons/smile.gif

musicsmith
04-14-2002, 06:36 PM
Just sending in my vote for the korg oasys too.
Best 300 bucks I ever spent

tzujan
04-14-2002, 11:17 PM
Hardnox,

I have not tried Reverb One. I have heard great things about it. How does it compare to others?

I am toiling with the extra farm. I have come to a realization: the closer the gear is to being an instrument (literally and figuratively) the longer its life is in my studio. Is still have a CP-70, and 12 string guitar and a sm 57 all purchased when I was in high school. I can't tell you how many recording formats I have gone through over the years. It is insane. When I weigh the external chassis and the farm card I'm not too far from upgrading to HD.

Kedron Porter
04-15-2002, 12:11 AM
Nobody has mentioned Real Verb or Real Verb 5.1. Alot of options and a nice clean sound. Have D-verb but not too impressed. It lacks great depth and very limited options compared to Real Verb.

tzujan
04-15-2002, 12:21 AM
I have been considering buying an external reverb in lieu of using plug ins. Reverbs and delays take up so much dsp. Buying another farm card would also mean buying an expansion chassis and I would still be left with an ok sounding verb. My thought is for less money, which is key, I could buy a nice external verb and an external delay with a better sound plus the benefit of free dsp. I would like to step up in a verb so my question is where do the plug in verbs rate with the external verbs. Is the Lexiverb comparable in sound to the PCM91, MPX 500 or the MPX 110? I am not a fan of the Mega Verb - where would it rate among its hardware brethren? How about other plug ins compared to the Lexicon line?

Skwaidu
04-15-2002, 06:42 AM
I haven't tried Rev One(Should try that!) or Realverb but in my opinion plug verbs aren't that good. Still I use them a lot, convenience and recallability being the major issues.

D-Verb:Mostly crap. Ok on some effect 'verbs, as you can put it as an RTAS insert without killing your CPU.

TC Mega: Surprisingly crap. Good programmability though. Haven't tried M-One, maybe comparable to that?

Lexiverb: Good for some uses, not much compared with PCM91.

Trueverb: Sometimes ok, I use it a lot. Many times as an early reflection generator, but lately have been bored with the same old sound, which isn't that classy either.

RenVerb: Haven't used it too much but seems interesting. Although I know that you can easily get ****** sounds with it, too.

Only my (non- well thought)opinions. Usually if I'm doing really serious mixing I tend to take my main 'verbs from boxes like TC MX000(X=3,5,6) and PCM91. Hope to get access to a 960L someday.

Skwaidu

mpayne
04-15-2002, 02:35 PM
I like Ren verb the best, though it's true the presets are not very good - actually that's a good thing, it't forced me to be a little less lazy about putting together the right patch.

I don't get what so many people like about ReberbOne so much. People here seem to appreciate the smoothness of the tail. well, OK, but there's more to life than that...

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Malcolm

Bokir
04-15-2002, 11:02 PM
I do sound for picture. I use two set up:

Reverb One or TC M3000 for realistic acoustic/room emulation.

Lexiverb or PCM 91 for everything related with music.

And both for SFX.

Just my two cent.

adam_w1
04-16-2002, 04:22 AM
Interesting how everyone is always after "nice" reverbs..you'd think everyone's doing Mariah Carey or something sparklingreverbtastic.. Now..I've taken to patching in some real old turds now and again via interfaces to get some filthier reverb going on. Nothing like spanking the input to a cheap and nasty reverb and hearing it scream in pain ! images/icons/shocked.gif I think the "reverb" part some of the old Lexicon stuff is like 12 bit..

Steve MacMillan
04-16-2002, 09:15 AM
Lexiverb is unique in it's ability to make fantastic sounding verbs by mixing several dissimilar patches together to make one verb.

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joy4u
04-17-2002, 03:49 AM
The primary function of a reverb is not adding the "Maria Carey fx", but using it's early reflections to move the sound to the rear. And it's so difficult to find a plugin that generates natural and nice ER.

As Mr. MacMillan states, the best results come out of a combination of reverb plugins.
I use Lexiverb combined with Reverb One. Lexiverb adds 3D and magics, R1 adds ambient and positional perception.

Or i use 2 Lexiverb.

Anyway all those plugins are far avay from a L480

tom_mac
04-17-2002, 02:03 PM
if getting an outboard would be les expensive than buying all that other stuff ....

go for it .....it'll sound better too..

i use reverb one all of the time.

if i could afford an outboard reverb, I'd use the money to buy mics.

but in your position ......the outboard is a great
option.

Strider
04-17-2002, 02:35 PM
I also use Reverb One 90% of the time. It IS the best rev-plug I've heard. Occasionally I use DVerb, mainly for the DSP usage reasons.

delphypop
04-17-2002, 03:41 PM
has anyone tried z room from DUY
It kept crashing my system on random occasions but when it did work it was very interesting. Good small room modeler for those early reflections and stuff

Camilo Orozco
04-18-2002, 04:53 AM
go for ReverbOne and a mix farm, you will be able to run at least 3 Reverbs and spend less than buying a single Lexicon 91... then just buy another farm and youll get 3 more...
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