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matt scharfglass
06-14-2002, 09:11 AM
Anyone know of any tricks to duck plosives out of a vocal?
Thanks.
ReniuR
06-14-2002, 09:26 AM
I'm guessing you mean loud pops. I've found that using a high-pass eq to cut off low end can help a lot, or a quick volume automation drop can help too.
Allen Hallada
06-14-2002, 11:13 AM
Matt,
I just did this in a pro studio with a great engineer. He used the Waves C4. I don't remember which freq. they were (lower range), but we used an analyzing software to see where they were located and then cut these freq. down a bit. Should be able to do that with the new Waves PAZ analyzing software too. Haven't used it yet. Anyway it worked great with the C4.
Allen
audiaudio
06-14-2002, 01:21 PM
This thread covers plosives: go here (http://duc.digidesign.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=006179)
matt scharfglass
06-14-2002, 01:45 PM
Thanks to everyone.
ReniuR, I'm completely untrained at this and have been doing this tech stuff by the seat of my pants for the last 5 years, so thanks for confirming my gut instinct. It feels good to know I may not be clueless after all!
Allen, I would love to try the software but I'm still hurting from my initial ProTools and Mac purchase (have had both for only a couple of weeks), and my wife won't let me have any more toys...
audi, that link was really helpful. Thanks.
If anyone has any other ideas (that don't involve the purchase of any addl. software!), please keep 'em coming.
Thanks again!
PS - This board is such a great resource, I can't resist asking for more advice...I also posted a question about tightening up the low end, and the response was generally that I should use a multi-band limiter or compressor. Since my PT system didn't come with one, I've been thinking about sending the whole mix (or perhaps just the bass and drums) to an aux with an EQ and limiter. Am I nuts, or could this work?
Allen Hallada
06-14-2002, 03:06 PM
Matt,
You can most Eq. plugins for this. Wish I remember the freq. range. You can just play around until you find it. Good luck.
Allen
Bastiaan
06-14-2002, 10:17 PM
Matt,
You could also put the eq and comp. on a masterfader....the aux-trick will work just fine, just create the aux-fader, make sure its source is a bus, not a hardware input, and then set the outputs of the individual channels to that bus.
On the plosives.....are you talking about something that you recorded, or are you talking about something that can be re-recorded?
You can get rid of plosives while recording with a "plop-filter" . You could also achieve this with mic-setup, point the mic a bit away...
Stone Knife
06-14-2002, 10:26 PM
Y'know, there's one of the ideas in that other thread I was just cookin' with, until it came to step #3...
It's this one:
rickyshand
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Member # 10629 posted April 24, 2002 09:09 AM
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Here's how I like to deal with finicky plosives:
1) Create a new track next to the offending track, reverse phase and make sure it's bussed the same as the offender.
2) Copy the plossive, along with a little lead in/out audio to the new track
3) Use an audiosuite process to filter everything *but* the plosive, I have good luck with Waves and with Digisuite.
4) depending on the filter used, slide the resulting plosive around slightly to match phase.
5) use head and tail fades to bring in cancelation and track level to adjust amount of cancelation.
This takes a while to set up, but lets you really fine tune things in a visual fashion that I find very helpful.
-------------------- <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm just stuck with "filter"--- which track? the original one, I assume- how much? completely, or certain freqs? and why filter it at all??
I think this is a brilliant idea but I just am missing this section of it.
So many ? marks!
Anyone who can clear up this 'filter' thing wins eternal gratitude. images/icons/wink.gif
Joe Egan
06-16-2002, 04:15 PM
Ok, you got plosives on your recording now.
I think the best technique is avoiding plosives to begin with.
This is what I do. I put a plosive screen on the mic, but even moreso, I have the mic positioned so it's just above the nose. Two things happen, sibilance and plosives disappear almost 100% and proximity effect can still be taken advantage of. I tell the singers to sing under the microphone and not directly into it.
yin7yang64
06-20-2002, 06:16 PM
Roger that, Joe. An announcer or singer should never be aiming straight at the mike. I always work my sessions with the mike about 30 to 45 degrees off of dead center.
Then when I do get a plosive, I deal with it by doing a major rolloff with the PT 4-Band EQ of frequencies below about 80 Hz or so. Highlight just the few milliseconds of the pop and apply the EQ. You'll probably have to tweak your frequencies and level cut for optimum performance. Too much or too high of a rolloff and you can hear the change in the voicetrack. Get it just right, and the pop disappears leaving the voice sounding untouched.
lwilliam
06-21-2002, 09:21 AM
All of these advices work. Here's one nobody's mentioned yet: I had a song with a bad "p" pop. I found another place in the song where the singer used a "p" and that didn't have the pop. I cut and pasted just the "good" "p" into the "bad" "p". No one could tell. I had to zoom way in and use a little trial and error, but it was a pretty amazing difference.
vocalvoodoo
06-21-2002, 11:48 AM
With enough practice, you can remove the actual "pop" from the wav file. I have only done this with voice work. Not singing. Although, sometimes the edit sounds like crap. It all depends on the way the person made the pop.
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