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bigdaddyscondition
03-12-2014, 03:20 AM
Does anyone have experience using both compressor plugins, Smack! and Maxim? Which is better in your opinion?

Drew Mazurek
03-12-2014, 04:48 AM
Does anyone have experience using both compressor plugins, Smack! and Maxim? Which is better in your opinion?

Smack is a compressor.

Maxim is a peak limiter.

They are very different tools for different uses.

For example, you'll probably use Smack on tracks and maybe some busses and reserve Maxim for the stereo buss.

Smack is usable, but Maxim is pretty terrible if you ask me.

I'd look at Massey Plugins for great inexpensive alternatives.

feliponk
03-12-2014, 06:44 AM
Smack all the way...

DMB13KOS
03-12-2014, 08:16 AM
I've had good results using Maxim on my master track as a mastering limiter, but you have to be careful how you set it.

Shifted Music
03-12-2014, 10:27 AM
Drew nailed it.

Massey Limiter. Smack is awesome.

8dB.co.uk
03-12-2014, 11:03 AM
Maxim for TV post if you absolutely HAVE to and can't get a ProLimiter or Waves L3LL Multi (which is actually great as a compressor as well set up right). For music, and not mastering, Smack may well do the job you require but I've not had good times with it in post to picture.

albee1952
03-12-2014, 07:44 PM
My 2 cents....SMACK! is a nice "character" compressor(and I use it on most every project for lead vox). Not a fan of MAXIM, but it is useable. My preference for limiting is Waves L2 or Massey L2007(which I WOULD buy if I didn't already have L2):o

Emcha_audio
03-13-2014, 06:52 AM
I've used smack lightly on a piano for jazz was pretty great there. Not too bad on acoustics guitar either. An other place where I like it is when I do Parallel compression of drum, set it to octo and compress the hell out of the parallel track with it, gives good character.

feliponk
03-13-2014, 11:23 AM
Smack is a good compressor and sounds great too. I was never fan of Maxim but it's very used in TV for Loudness maddness.

As a limiter I prefer McDSP ML 4000, BX Limiter, Sonnox and Avid Pro Limiter.

Mike496
03-13-2014, 12:35 PM
I use Maxim in place of L1 for individual track limiting now that waves is no longer DSP, seems to work well for me.

8dB.co.uk
03-13-2014, 12:37 PM
Maxim has that classic Digidesign sound - squared off. Waves L3 (not the L1 or 2) are silkily transparent in comparison. Worth running native for the sound alone.

Mike496
03-13-2014, 12:42 PM
Maxim has that classic Digidesign sound - squared off. Waves L3 (not the L1 or 2) are silkily transparent in comparison. Worth running native for the sound alone.


Vintage digital hahaha! L3 for 2 Buss is a beautiful thing for sure.

bigdaddyscondition
03-13-2014, 06:25 PM
I'm looking for compression on a mix bus containing 9 vocal tracks, 3 tracks each of the same female vocalist singing 3-part harmony. This is nothing fancy, just a pop song.

I applied Maxim to the bus but wasn't especially impressed with the results. Then I applied Smack! and was amazed at how it improved the cohesiveness of the 9 vocal tracks in the mix. As of now I'm a Smack! fan.

Thanks to everyone for their insights.

8dB.co.uk
03-13-2014, 06:39 PM
I would definitely agree that smack is the better tool for this application. You might however find even better results with some of tools mentioned by others. Given that music isn't my primary area (TV & Film post) then I can't add to their suggestions, but would love to hear your experiences. Music production is my hobby whereas post is my job.

bigdaddyscondition
03-13-2014, 08:48 PM
Thanks, 8dB. I am just a neophyte in home recording, and am in it for fun only. I've taken Pro Tools 101 at a local community college. I'm mainly a guitarist and keyboard player who wants to record his own work and that of a few like-minded musician friends. I'm retired from my real job (ear, nose, and throat surgeon).

Bob Olhsson
03-14-2014, 07:49 AM
It's worth noting that Maxim seems to have been improved in AAX.

8dB.co.uk
03-14-2014, 07:50 AM
All the stock plugs seem to have benefited, except channel strip.

Emcha_audio
03-14-2014, 01:36 PM
Well the channel strip never was rtas before so yeah.

Mike496
03-14-2014, 02:06 PM
I'm digging Pro Compressor. I like smack but I feel like it adds back low end I've tried to cut out, I could be tripping.

8dB.co.uk
03-14-2014, 02:20 PM
Emcha - I'm well aware of that. The move to 64bit / PT11 hasn't helped CS - it's still utter pants. Why do you think they developed the lovely ProCompressor and ProLimiter. Bring on a ProEQ - a 7 band fully parametric switchable function EQ to rival the Sonnox or the Neve DFC EQ. The sooner they ditch or fix CS the better.

Mike496
03-14-2014, 02:33 PM
Massenburg is the EQ of EQs. No point in Avid wasting resources on a Pro EQ when MDW is AAX DSP, IMO. It's expensive yea, but damn good.

8dB.co.uk
03-14-2014, 02:35 PM
Yes but is it a "musical" EQ good for music, or is it a surgical tool like the Neve DFC EQ which is perfect for TV and Film post?

Mike496
03-14-2014, 02:51 PM
Apologies, I went off topic a bit.

I do mostly music. I use MDW on my projects. To me it's both. Is use it anywhere I need an eq without question. There are certainly other options SSL, API, NEVE emus if you want/need emu color. If I need a clean high quality EQ ITB I instantiate the MDW. Again this is just my opinion. Avid could totally come out with the next latest and greatest eq with a character option but they're better off using the resource to get more users to PT 11 and partner with 3rd party developers to get more offerings to HDX DSP so that they sell more systems.

JFreak
03-15-2014, 01:11 AM
It's worth noting that Maxim seems to have been improved in AAX.

I can confirm this. If it's not working too hard, it is actally not that bad. Still, I only use it for testing and not in a real session. Massey's L2007 is too much better than Maxim...