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Tibbon
05-09-2005, 09:44 PM
Well it seems that Venue has killed the beginning of at least ONE live show so far:
http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/reviews/critics/mmx-g5u1smhfp.7may08 (http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/reviews/critics/mmx-g5u1smhfp.7may08,0,6801001.story?coll=mmx-critics_heds),0,6801001.story?coll=mmx-critics_heds

Vaphoron
05-09-2005, 10:50 PM
That article said the venue's sound system failed which leads me to believe that it wasn't the "Venue" that failed. Of course the person who wrote it might not be able to make such a distinction. It did sound like the monitors were still working though which might indicate that the "Venue" was in fact the only thing actually working.

gomi
05-10-2005, 10:16 AM
Nowhere in the article does it mention Digidesign hardware at all.
Is NIN even using a Venue?

Vaphoron
05-10-2005, 04:49 PM
Is NIN even using a Venue?



Yeah, NIN is using the Venue and you can see it if you check out the video for "The Hand That Feeds" on their website.

subskin
05-11-2005, 12:00 PM
NIN are using Venue for FOH and Stage. Nowhere in the article did I read anything about "Venue" failing. It did mention that the "venue's " sound system failed. could be amps, breakers, cables and yes, Venue - but venue wouldn't be the first thing I'd suspect in this situation.

bigbadhenchman
05-11-2005, 12:08 PM
NIN are using Venue for FOH and Stage. Nowhere in the article did I read anything about "Venue" failing. It did mention that the "venue's " sound system failed. could be amps, breakers, cables and yes, Venue - but venue wouldn't be the first thing I'd suspect in this situation.



Someone from another forum was at the show, and wandered over to where the console was. he said there was alot of running around the console. From what he could tell, the problem was the Venue.

subskin
05-11-2005, 04:01 PM
I've watched a Venue completely powercycle it's cpu w/ out losing any signal. Computer off - no problem. Also with the dual snake system you can completely lose one of your snakes and it automatically switches over to the other without losing any signal. I wasn't close enough at the NIN show to see if they were running dual snakes - but I assume they are. That being said - as I understand it - the only thing that can completely nuke a Venue is losing power, both snakes or the physical connections to the I/O - all of which can happen on any console.

I'm not a live sound guy and I wasn't there at the show - but again I wouldn't assume it was the venue. I'm sure people would be running around any board if the PA completey craps out.

just my .02 - maybe the NIN sound guys will check back in sometime and clarify.

Lowdbrent
05-14-2005, 01:05 PM
The original review said that all that was audible to the audience was lead vocals. I was not there, I do not know. But if this is true, it sounds to me like it was operator error, not the console.

bb_aus
05-18-2005, 12:57 AM
The original review said that all that was audible to the audience was lead vocals. I was not there, I do not know. But if this is true, it sounds to me like it was operator error, not the console.


or stage power
have lost stage power during several live shows

IntelDoc
05-20-2005, 07:14 PM
Maybe this was where the "V" for venue came into context?


If the point of this tour playing small venues is to remind those lucky enough to score tickets what a formidable force the band remains, mission accomplished.




- Doc

level5
05-22-2005, 08:19 AM
I saw NIN in Atlanta last nite. Stood next to FOH the whole evening. The Venue looked sweet. I saw one at NAB, but seeing it in action was cool. NIN's engineer made use of the Line6 delay and Purple Audio 1176 plugs. Most of the nite Trent's channel strip settings were on the screen. The show was awesome and the sound was the best I've heard in smaller venue. No real technical problems other than Trent's mic not working on "Closer" the first time around. Probably cause he threw it at the end of the song before it and trashed it. Looked like they were recording into Pro Tools on a Powerbook, too.

digidesigner
06-22-2005, 10:25 AM
I saw NIN @ Provinssirock couple of days ago. I made a small page with some pics of the FOH.
http://www.hot.ee/digidesigner/ninpage.htm

subskin
06-22-2005, 10:31 AM
Thanks for the pix and the play by play - that was really cool to read and see! I keep looking through the live sound rags to see when the tech specs from this tour pop up - but so far nothing about NIN or Soundtribe Sector Nine - The only 2 (relatively) big shows I've seen thus far w/ a Venue...

Vaphoron
06-22-2005, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the pics.

subskin
06-24-2005, 03:07 PM
FYI: The new "ProSound" has a cool article about the tour... finally!

digidesigner
06-25-2005, 06:42 AM
FYI: The new "ProSound" has a cool article about the tour... finally!



is this available online as well? I looked at prosoundnews.com but there is nothing there...

thevault
07-09-2005, 01:22 PM
I believe it's politically correct not to say anything in the elite circle

Lowdbrent
07-11-2005, 09:15 AM
So now everyone knows that the show file did not load right? So, the crew did not verify that they console did not load.

JonnyGinese
09-30-2005, 05:12 PM
hmm.. this is ironic that this is on here. heh heh. The company I work for is Providing NIN with there sound system... They have 2 Venues on there tour.... the first 2 ever made acctually. And i do find it wierd that they would use a windows bases computer with such a clutch type of event like a live concert. They only problems I know of that went wrong wiht this tour so far was that the drummer pasted our on stage in the first show durring soundchecks... and they have to cancel that show and the next. Now they are auditioning a new drummer for there remaining shows.

Anyways... I hear that the venue boards are really nice and futuristic looking.. but it takes a bit to get used to.

Cya

Jonny

Proud Employee of Firehouse Productions

P.S. don't quote me on anything...

Sheldon Radford
10-01-2005, 01:00 PM
Hi Jonny,

Good to see some production folks here on the DUC. I met with NIN's Jim Warren (FOH) and Mike Prowda (Monitors) yesterday and they're both getting along very well with the consoles. They particularly like the plug-ins and Pro Tools recording features. Jim's recently become fond of the McDSP plug-ins, and uses their multi-band comp and Digidesign's Impact across the Mains to create a very powerful, well-controlled mix. The only additional outboard gear being used at FOH is a Tube Tech limiter on Trent's voice.

As you mentioned a few shows have had to be cancelled due to health problems with the drummer (more info on NIN's website (http://www.nin.com/current/index.html)). To help the replacement drummer rehearse Jim took a recent show that had been recorded to Pro Tools using VENUE's HDx option, created a mix with all instruments except drums, and played it back for the drummer to play along to. This allowed the drummer to learn the exact arrangments without the rest of the band having to spend all day in rehearsal while the drummer came up to speed. The rest of the band came in at the end of the day, played through the set once and it sounded great!

Sheldon

JonnyGinese
10-01-2005, 06:38 PM
thats awesome... Yeha I haven't gotten to see the VENUE yet because I got hired after the NIN tour was going.. but i can't wait to see them at Madison Square Garden when i get to go and see how everything is done.. and then get the consoles back and start learning how to use them. I'm pretty good with using the plugins in protools so i should catch on pretty quick with this board.

I do have a question though.. how many DSP cards are in the systems that are on the NIN tour? is it like an HD3 or something? I have to still get the manual for it from Bryan Olson... But I'm sure they will have some stuff for me at AES when I head down next week. talk to you later.

Jonny

Sheldon Radford
10-02-2005, 01:27 AM
Hi Jonny,


how many DSP cards are in the systems that are on the NIN tour?



I believe both consoles are equipped with three of the dedicated D-Show Mix Engine DSP cards (which are different from Pro Tools Core and Accel cards). Jim's using a separate Mac rig w/ HD2 to record each night's show directly from the console via HDx and DigiLink. Slick!

JonnyGinese
10-02-2005, 05:09 AM
Thats awesome... I can't wait to see this stuff when it comes back to the shop.

Eric L
10-02-2005, 02:55 PM
I work in film sound now, but for years I worked as a FOH mixer. Back when PM4k or Midas were the desks of choice. I just saw NIN last night at the Hollywood Bowl and I was blown away by the sound. I've mixed my share of shows in big venues and seen plenty of shows in large venues, but I must say that the sound last night was the one of the best I've heard for a rock and roll show.

First, the bowl is a great place to "hear" a show. No closed in arena to give you problems. Their P.A. (Vertec I think?) sounds fantastic, and the back video screens are even delayed to stay in sync with the sound. Nice. Not everyone does this.

What impressed me the most was how similar the live performance was to what is on the albums. I've been a NIN fan since 1990 and have seen them perform about 8 times, and I have never heard a performance match the albums like last night. The vocals were exactly where they were supposed to be and I could actually understand what he was singing. (Unlike other shows I've seen lately, U2 for example) But more importantly, the same vocal effect from the intro of "Gave Up" off the Broken LP, was identical to what is on the album. Knowing that Trent is a huge PT user, I'm sure it is the same plug ins and settings from his album that was used on the Venue. This is exciting. I'm often disappointed when I go to a concert and the show sounds completely different than the recordings.

My compliments to Digidesign, NIN and the sound crew for finally bridging that gap. Alas, it came a few years too late for me, but I know if I was still mixing live sound, the Venue would be my console of choice. Keep up the good work, Trent and crew.

JonnyGinese
10-02-2005, 03:01 PM
THe PA speakers weren't Vertecs... I don't remember the name of them but they are "French and really heavy... But sound really great". They were bought buy Firehouse Productions for the NIN tour.

Sheldon Radford
10-02-2005, 06:37 PM
They're using an L-Acoustic (http://www.l-acoustics.com/) V-DOSC rig with dV-DOSC for fills and d&b (http://www.dbaudio.com/) subs.

Jim and Mike are both using some of the same plug-ins used in the studio, including the TL Space convolution reverb. Some of the really wild vocal effects are triggered by Trent himself using a special touch-sensitive controller mounted to his mic stand and connected to a MUSE Recepetor box running various plug-ins.

Sheldon

JonnyGinese
10-02-2005, 10:36 PM
heh heh... Thats why i didnt' remember the name... V-DOSC... its not a real word... Anyways... I know Firehouse Productions loves working with Digidesign and I'm sure you guys know that. See you at AES.

Jonny

Eric L
10-03-2005, 12:53 PM
Yep, V-Dosc and dv-Dosc. Details here (http://www.pro-music-news.com/html/15/e30604la.htm). That is obviously the house P.A., which is what looked like to me was used the other night with added subs. It was hard to tell from where I was sitting, all the boxes were white as in the picture of the house system. What are the chances that the Firehouse rig is white?

I saw the touch controller via the I-Mag screen at one point, but it wasn't on Trent's lead vocal mic stand. It was back upstage right in keyboard land. Considering his mic stand ended up in the audience a couple times and thrown over the drum kit, I'm gonna say it wasn't attached there.

Regardless of where it was and how it was triggered, I was impressed with the use of the plugins.

JonnyGinese
10-03-2005, 02:38 PM
I'm not sure the color of the setup that we sent since I was hired after the were already out... But I could find out... And I'm sure they have our monitors though... I can ask Bryan Olson or Mike Bove the official specs of the FOH setup that we sent of you want it(and if they will release it).

Sheldon Radford
10-03-2005, 02:44 PM
The tour is carrying its own V-DOSC rig (in rock and roll basic black), but likely opted to use the house rig at the Bowl. It sounds like they may have supplemented with their own d&b subs.

Trent uses several mic stands (and mics) throughout the course of the show, one of which has a ribbon strip style controller on it. You can bet this is the one stand that doesn't get tossed into the crowd or at the kit!

Sheldon

JonnyGinese
10-03-2005, 03:25 PM
oh ok... Cool... Are you going to be at AES Sheldon? Or any of you guys?

P.S. In those pictures that "digidesigner" provided you can see our FP color cases with "Firehouse Productions" written on them... Especially the one with the "FOH" on it.

P.S.S. If anyone is curious, the FP venue system will be going on tour with Radiohead once the NIN tour is finished.

JC925602
11-10-2005, 08:03 PM
heh heh... Thats why i didnt' remember the name... V-DOSC... its not a real word....

Jonny



DOSC is an acronim that stand for "Diffuseur d’Onde Sonore Cylindrique" or cylindrical sound wave generator.

For more info, go to the L-acoustic web site. (http://www.l-acoustics.com/)

JC

JonnyGinese
11-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Thanks for the info... I havne't had a chance to borrow and read the manuals from work yet... I'm almost done with the Vertec and I-Tech manuals now... Next will be hte V-Dosc and Venue.

digidesigner
04-19-2007, 12:46 AM
I was at NIN show in Helsinki 10.04 and they are still using Venues, but isn't Jim Warren doing FOH for NIN anymore?